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Old Dec 5th 2019, 5:41 am
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Nope, not serving anything up other than opinion. Trade unions controlled the UK to the point we had a 'winter of discontent' didn't we? That was the 70's I think? I mean, we want to go back to unions running everything with terrified governments?
One winter in ten? Late 78.

Prior to that was Edward Heath who took the UK into the Common Market. The very place virtually the UK is now wishing to remove itself from.

I do not recall a terrified government at all nor really a lot of bother other than alarmist news reports of rubbish and dead bodies ( what is new there then with tabloids) . I still went to work full time . We still lived our lives fine. However perhaps yes, We do need to have a populace being able to have some say or feel they have some say in how their lives , jobs, homes and government is run somehow. A voice other than a manipulatory GE or an equally dishonest manipulatory so-called referendum.

Several voices are better than a lone voice especially if you are the ones on the near bottom of some ladder .

Tolpuddle Martyrs

Thatcher set out to destroy the common man's voice and she did so leaving many towns , communities, families, lives in utter ruins. Is that also what one wants for todays UK or should we all be looking for a common good for all.
She also garnered a certain popularity in some quarters with that old deflection and ruse - a war.

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I have not written that so why would you even think that. I was looking for context for the thinking. That is all.

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One winter in ten? Late 78.

Prior to that was Edward Heath who took the UK into the Common Market. The very place virtually the UK is now wishing to remove itself from.

I do not recall a terrified government at all nor really a lot of bother other than alarmist news reports of rubbish and dead bodies ( what is new there then with tabloids) . I still went to work full time . We still lived our lives fine. However perhaps yes, We do need to have a populace being able to have some say or feel they have some say in how their lives , jobs, homes and government is run somehow. A voice other than a manipulatory GE or an equally dishonest manipulatory so-called referendum.

Several voices are better than a lone voice especially if you are the ones on the near bottom of some ladder .

Tolpuddle Martyrs

Thatcher set out to destroy the common man's voice and she did so leaving many towns , communities, families, lives in utter ruins. Is that also what one wants for todays UK or should we all be looking for a common good for all.
She also garnered a certain popularity in some quarters with that old deflection and ruse - a war.



I have not written that so why would you even think that. I was looking for context for the thinking. That is all.
Well, it got a fancy name so it's kind of a big deal isn't it?
I don't think we should be removing ourselves from it, so I'd say that was a good move by a man who's garden I've been in to retrieve a football only to be chased out by armed rozzers (ah, those were the days).

I've been to Tolpuddle, lovely place.

I fundamentally disagree with unions I'm afraid, I think the principle of ensuring protection of workers is good, but the reality of greed at the top of them and unrealistic management of expectations makes them dangerous.
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Rees-Mogg favours the introduction of concentration camps, solves both the housing and jobs problem. Possibly why the Tories won't let him out to do interviews
​​​​​​​Didn't see that Mike... Which media? Not surprised at all, since he'd gladly bring back a National Chimney Programme to push kids up the. Total Tory Bas#ard with Oak Leaf Cluster & Swords.
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Excellent post Bevs, though for some reason I can't quote it - network today in Marrakech is a bit flakey.
One winter in ten, and as I recall it took two sides to bring that situation about. Far too many here have convenient memories.
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Excellent post Bevs, though for some reason I can't quote it - network today in Marrakech is a bit flakey.
One winter in ten, and as I recall it took two sides to bring that situation about. Far too many here have convenient memories.
Focusing on one tiny detail and ignoring / missing the bigger picture.

Nevermind, that's the socialist way. Make sure the factory floor workers all get BIG% payrises, ignoring the crippling damage it does to the business.
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Well I was 14 in 1970 and 24 in 1980 so I transformed from school to work in that period.

It was a dreadful decade and it was due to overbearing, power-crazed. bullying unions.

It wasn't one winter in ten it was constant - the winter of discontent was the culmination of an entire decade of industrial disputes under both Labour and Conservative governments.

We had power cuts for weeks, an enforced three day week and rubbish piling up in the streets (yes really - it's not a cliche).

I worked in industry in the latter part of the decade and I saw it all first-hand. Much of the problems were inter-union fighting - nothing to do with the employers.

I was glad to see the back of it.

We all know who put a stop to the nonsense. Whatever she did after that she got that bit right.
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Well I was 14 in 1970 and 24 in 1980 so I transformed from school to work in that period.

It was a dreadful decade and it was due to overbearing, power-crazed. bullying unions.

It wasn't one winter in ten it was constant - the winter of discontent was the culmination of an entire decade of industrial disputes under both Labour and Conservative governments.

We had power cuts for weeks, an enforced three day week and rubbish piling up in the streets (yes really - it's not a cliche).

I worked in industry in the latter part of the decade and I saw it all first-hand. Much of the problems were inter-union fighting - nothing to do with the employers.

I was glad to see the back of it.

We all know who put a stop to the nonsense. Whatever she did after that she got that bit right.
That is not going to be a popular post with all the Tory knockers here, accurate though it is.!!!!!

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Well I was 14 in 1970 and 24 in 1980 so I transformed from school to work in that period.

It was a dreadful decade and it was due to overbearing, power-crazed. bullying unions.

It wasn't one winter in ten it was constant - the winter of discontent was the culmination of an entire decade of industrial disputes under both Labour and Conservative governments.

We had power cuts for weeks, an enforced three day week and rubbish piling up in the streets (yes really - it's not a cliche).

I worked in industry in the latter part of the decade and I saw it all first-hand. Much of the problems were inter-union fighting - nothing to do with the employers.

I was glad to see the back of it.

We all know who put a stop to the nonsense. Whatever she did after that she got that bit right.
That’s not my memory of the decade. I was 20 in 1970, 30 in 1980. I graduated from university in 1972, moved to the US in 1976, mixture of hitchhiking abroad and working at short term factory, warehouse & office jobs in between. Main takeaway from the employment front for me, 1966 to 1976 - if you wanted a job, you showed up at the local (Labour exchange? Jobcentre?) where the worker riffled through a card file and - you were usually working that very afternoon, or the next day! No lengthy applications or security checks.

Best jobs included frozen food depot, paper factory in Hackney Wick, Dept of Labour itself, a workshop where I cut up Formica to order on a massive guillotine. Money was always very good (to my naive, undemanding sensibility..) and paid every week in cash!!

Maybe because I was young and innocent, but the 70s was a good decade.
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That’s not my memory of the decade. I was 20 in 1970, 30 in 1980. I graduated from university in 1972, moved to the US in 1976, mixture of hitchhiking abroad and working at short term factory, warehouse & office jobs in between. Main takeaway from the employment front for me, 1966 to 1976 - if you wanted a job, you showed up at the local (Labour exchange? Jobcentre?) where the worker riffled through a card file and - you were usually working that very afternoon, or the next day! No lengthy applications or security checks.

Best jobs included frozen food depot, paper factory in Hackney Wick, Dept of Labour itself, a workshop where I cut up Formica to order on a massive guillotine. Money was always very good (to my naive, undemanding sensibility..) and paid every week in cash!!

Maybe because I was young and innocent, but the 70s was a good decade.
It certainly produced some top notch music.
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It certainly produced some top notch music.
yeah but there was something about the alcohol back then, most days seemed to end with head spinning and/or projectile vomiting..
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yeah but there was something about the alcohol back then, most days seemed to end with head spinning and/or projectile vomiting..
......and I assumed you were such a serious, bookish fellow.
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“While Liberalism and Labour are snapping and snarling at each other the Conservative dog may run away with the bone,” warned CP Scott, the Manchester Guardian editor, in 1912.

A dire warning from this oped: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...xit-jo-swinson
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Nope, not serving anything up other than opinion. Trade unions controlled the UK to the point we had a 'winter of discontent' didn't we? That was the 70's I think? I mean, we want to go back to unions running everything with terrified governments?

(Note: Please don't say I'm not allowed to comment on anything that was before I was born as some on this site have in the past)
My dear old dad never forgave the Labour Party after they "nationalised" his lorry - after coming back from the war he bought a small lorry and worked for himself, then the power-crazed Labour wanted to control everything and nationalised road transport. It always amazes me that furniture removals company Pickfords was nationalised and only privatised again in the early 80's. Government controlling the moving of your furniture? Let's just wait, it could be on McDonnell's list
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That is not going to be a popular post with all the Tory knockers here, accurate though it is.!!!!!
Yes - I expect my popularity (such as it is) will take a knock.

While we're on Tory policy - it was Tories who took us into the EEC and Tories who got us into the EU and Tories (specifically MT) who championed the Single Internal Market.

I supported all of that and I find it sickening that they have turned into the party of Brexit.

They won't get my vote ever again.

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That’s not my memory of the decade. I was 20 in 1970, 30 in 1980. I graduated from university in 1972, moved to the US in 1976, mixture of hitchhiking abroad and working at short term factory, warehouse & office jobs in between. Main takeaway from the employment front for me, 1966 to 1976 - if you wanted a job, you showed up at the local (Labour exchange? Jobcentre?) where the worker riffled through a card file and - you were usually working that very afternoon, or the next day! No lengthy applications or security checks.

Best jobs included frozen food depot, paper factory in Hackney Wick, Dept of Labour itself, a workshop where I cut up Formica to order on a massive guillotine. Money was always very good (to my naive, undemanding sensibility..) and paid every week in cash!!

Maybe because I was young and innocent, but the 70s was a good decade.
Fair enough. Are you ignoring the strikes, rubbish, power cuts and three day week?
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