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Old Nov 17th 2019, 12:38 pm
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Good to see you getting with the programme so quickly.

Also, top marks for recognising and acknowledging the 2 chief problems obstructing good oral health in the UK today, ie lack of supply and the deterrent effect of the current level of charging on those of lesser means. Neither insurmountable given a sensible approach to policy.

Definitely the biggest issue the UK has. We should focus on dental appointments above everything else.

I will not sleep until I know Corbyn is personally signing the cheques for dentists to verify that every man, woman, child and gender fluid adult in the UK has teeth.
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 12:46 pm
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That's the ticket

Healthy mouth, healthy body and I'm sure we're all aware of the strong link between good healthcare and a thriving economy.
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 1:00 pm
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Why is Jezza so f---ing useless? Just saw him on Marr, can he not even dare to speak simple truth. 1. How would he vote on Brexit? 2. What would the EU negotitated deal look like. I'll answer for him: 1. Leave; 2. BRINO. Just spit it out man. Number 2, if Labour gets in, will come out - there's no reason not to sketch it out now. We've seen May's deal, we've seen BoJo's deal, he's intimating that il will be closer, but he won't flesh it out. He's obfuscating. On Number 1, his own personal choice is immaterial, from what he's committed to on the process (re-negotiation and referendum) and on the low involvement he maintains on Brexit, and Labour party policy, it's clear that he will not be fixated on a Brexit decision. He should answer the question openly.
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We're talking about Corbyn in this thread please.


And here I was, replying to you who thought the ''Tories'' were the least worst option.
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 3:32 pm
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Why is Jezza so f---ing useless? Just saw him on Marr, can he not even dare to speak simple truth. 1. How would he vote on Brexit? 2. What would the EU negotitated deal look like. I'll answer for him: 1. Leave; 2. BRINO. Just spit it out man. Number 2, if Labour gets in, will come out - there's no reason not to sketch it out now. We've seen May's deal, we've seen BoJo's deal, he's intimating that il will be closer, but he won't flesh it out. He's obfuscating. On Number 1, his own personal choice is immaterial, from what he's committed to on the process (re-negotiation and referendum) and on the low involvement he maintains on Brexit, and Labour party policy, it's clear that he will not be fixated on a Brexit decision. He should answer the question openly.
Labour have moved from triangulation in the past to obfuscation and fence-sitting today. Their position on anything seems to vary depending on whether it's Corbyn saying it ot Starmer (or various shades in between with the others).
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 3:36 pm
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Labour have moved from triangulation in the past to obfuscation and fence-sitting today. Their position on anything seems to vary depending on whether it's Corbyn saying it ot Starmer (or various shades in between with the others).
What does triangulation mean in this context?

Starmer generally provides straight answers, it's Corbyn and Corbyn alone that makes Labour a dog's breakfast of a political alternative.
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What does triangulation mean in this context?

Starmer generally provides straight answers, it's Corbyn and Corbyn alone that makes Labour a dog's breakfast of a political alternative.
I was referring to Blair's triangulation policy in the past and now it's obfuscation today.

Perhaps it's Starmer and the old-skool Blairites that are stopping Labour becoming a political alternative?
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Why is Jezza so f---ing useless? Just saw him on Marr, can he not even dare to speak simple truth. 1. How would he vote on Brexit? 2. What would the EU negotitated deal look like. I'll answer for him: 1. Leave; 2. BRINO. Just spit it out man. Number 2, if Labour gets in, will come out - there's no reason not to sketch it out now. We've seen May's deal, we've seen BoJo's deal, he's intimating that il will be closer, but he won't flesh it out. He's obfuscating. On Number 1, his own personal choice is immaterial, from what he's committed to on the process (re-negotiation and referendum) and on the low involvement he maintains on Brexit, and Labour party policy, it's clear that he will not be fixated on a Brexit decision. He should answer the question openly.
So WTF can't people understand about what he is saying about the EU, Labour and the EU already hjave a draft agreement , and it's main points are protection of workers rights, a full trade agreement amd membership of the customs union, but people conveniently ignore these points because thay make the May/Johnson deals look so bad. MSM in the UK is extremely Tory oriented, did any of them comment on the by-election result on Thursday where the Tories lost a seat to Labour, OK it has no effect on the GE, but does show how people are thinking.
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 4:32 pm
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So WTF can't people understand about what he is saying about the EU, Labour and the EU already hjave a draft agreement , and it's main points are protection of workers rights, a full trade agreement amd membership of the customs union, but people conveniently ignore these points because thay make the May/Johnson deals look so bad. MSM in the UK is extremely Tory oriented, did any of them comment on the by-election result on Thursday where the Tories lost a seat to Labour, OK it has no effect on the GE, but does show how people are thinking.
I think we understand what he is thinking about Europe, we just want him to SAY it. Open his mouth and speak his mind instead of qualifying every second word.
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Old Nov 17th 2019, 5:42 pm
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Why is Jezza so f---ing useless? Just saw him on Marr, can he not even dare to speak simple truth. 1. How would he vote on Brexit? 2. What would the EU negotitated deal look like. I'll answer for him: 1. Leave; 2. BRINO. Just spit it out man.
Has he changed his mind, then? I wouldn't mind seeing the evidence.

Here's what he said in late 2017 :
Asked if he would vote remain if a new referendum were held tomorrow, Corbyn replied: “There isn’t going to be another referendum, so it’s a hypothetical question but yes, I voted remain because I thought the best option was to remain. I haven’t changed my mind on that.
I don't remember him stating a different opinion since then, although he has, of course, frequently avoided reiterating his own personal opinion. (Odd how some throwaway remark can be remembered and loudly amplified decades later and yet this one can be so casually dismissed and forgotten without his ever having contradicted himself since )

I'd have thought the reasons for his refusal to give a direct response now are pretty bleedin' obvious. If the party's offering to negotiate a different WA, he can hardly go into the process or fight an election promising to, having firmly stated that he personally is against the country leaving. That would lead to accusations of him deliberately negotiating a bad deal so that he could later recommend the country voting against it.

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Has he changed his mind, then? I wouldn't mind seeing the evidence.

Here's what he said in late 2017 :

I don't remember him stating a different opinion since then, although he has, of course, frequently avoided reiterating his own personal opinion. (Odd how some throwaway remark can be remembered and loudly amplified decades later and yet this one can be so casually dismissed and forgotten without his ever having contradicted himself since )

I'd have thought the reasons for his refusal to give a direct response now are pretty bleedin' obvious. If the party's offering to negotiate a different WA, he can hardly go into the process or fight an election promising to, having firmly stated that he personally is against the country leaving. That would lead to accusations of him deliberately negotiating a bad deal so that he could later recommend the country voting against it.
On Marr today he explicitly said that if elected there will be a referendum (to confirm the fab deal he will negotiate with the EU).
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On Marr today he explicitly said that if elected there will be a referendum (to confirm the fab deal he will negotiate with the EU).
Oh Eric knows. He recently had his arse handed to him on this very point by Scamp.
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On the basis that there's no foreign interference and the funding is actually clean (both highly questionable points imo), outright victory for any party may prove unlikely. If so, the question will be how Mr Corbyn would direct pacts with both the SNP or Lib Dems. against declared Labour policies........ If picking up his 'phone to the Scottish First Minister is required then we may see the UK exit project quickly overtaken and shelved; - by a 2nd Independence Referendum.
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Oh Eric knows. He recently had his arse handed to him on this very point by Scamp.
I'll try to bear in mind in future that you can't follow a line of conversation.

It might help me look a little more kindly on your posts
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On Marr today he explicitly said that if elected there will be a referendum (to confirm the fab deal he will negotiate with the EU).
I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have put it in quite such a way but how does that contradict anything I said?

You were asking why he refused to state clearly which way he would vote in such a referendum.

And to add to what I said above, I'm aware that he has previously (and since that comment I quoted) said that he couldn't commit himself on the matter without knowing the outcome of their negotiations, which seems to be a fairly sanguine comment, whichever way he is supposedly currently inclined to think.
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