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Old Dec 31st 2019, 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by carcajou View Post
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Anti-Semitism is a convenient battering ram against Corbyn for political purposes; as well, there have been numerous examples in this thread of those ignoring it, or looking for plausible deniability as with the posts about the mural, to try and politically protect him which is what I think most of the posts here have been about.
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I've made it quite clear in my postings in this and other threads that Corbyn was a terrible candidate and I wouldn't vote for him in a million years. His plan to nationalize BT and provide 'free broadband' was my 'laughing stock' event. But I don't think this mural as anti-semitic and I'll defend Corbyn on that issue because I oppose the suppression of free speech and expression. On closer analysis of the mural (which I wasn't even aware of until this thread) I'm willing to accept that one of the six men in the mural 'may' be Jewish, on account of looking 'biblical' - big flowing beard, as you might see in a religious painting - but the other 5 do not, and appear to reflect a variety of 'origins' (with a possible Alf Garnet thrown in there). So the painting suggests to me rich, powerful, men from a variety of origins living off the backs of poor workers - a perfect 'anti-capitalist' image. Maybe those in power were happy to jump on the 'remove it because it's anti-semitic' bandwagon because they didn't like it's anti-capitalist message.

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25 quid to join labour and vote for the leader.Dear oh dear.I suppose they are struggling with the whip round for his prezi when they finale prize the jerk out the door.good riddance.Next idiot please
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25 quid to join labour and vote for the leader.Dear oh dear.I suppose they are struggling with the whip round for his prezi when they finale prize the jerk out the door.good riddance.Next idiot please
That's how Comrade Corbyn got in. Lots of new registrations voted for the least electable man on earth.
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Old Jan 8th 2020, 9:05 am
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I've made it quite clear in my postings in this and other threads that Corbyn was a terrible candidate and I wouldn't vote for him in a million years. His plan to nationalize BT and provide 'free broadband' was my 'laughing stock' event. But I don't think this mural as anti-semitic and I'll defend Corbyn on that issue because I oppose the suppression of free speech and expression. On closer analysis of the mural (which I wasn't even aware of until this thread) I'm willing to accept that one of the six men in the mural 'may' be Jewish, on account of looking 'biblical' - big flowing beard, as you might see in a religious painting - but the other 5 do not, and appear to reflect a variety of 'origins' (with a possible Alf Garnet thrown in there). So the painting suggests to me rich, powerful, men from a variety of origins living off the backs of poor workers - a perfect 'anti-capitalist' image. Maybe those in power were happy to jump on the 'remove it because it's anti-semitic' bandwagon because they didn't like it's anti-capitalist message.
I believe Corbyn to be completely out of touch with present day people. 50 years ago he may have stood a chance as the 'rich bogey man' was definitely the class enemy, today; every jerk on the planet is walking around with an I phone and drinking laté bleeding coffee!!
As for the mural, the mere fact it is being discussed would suggest it has anti-semite connotations. Anti-capitalist it may have been, anti Jewish I believe it to be.
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25 quid to join labour and vote for the leader.Dear oh dear.I suppose they are struggling with the whip round for his prezi when they finale prize the jerk out the door.good riddance.Next idiot please
The Labour party is the biggest political party in membership, in Europe, and Jeremy is being praised as the reason the numbers have increased so much.
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The Labour party is the biggest political party in membership, in Europe, and Jeremy is being praised as the reason the numbers have increased so much.
Focussing on membership is meaningless. Corbyn is also being personally blamed for a collapse in their numbers of votes too, and that's a reflection of his rather narrow appeal. It's one thing to get your party faithful and die hard activists onboard, but quite another, and far more difficult, to cultivate popularity across the wider population - the very people whose votes (and numbers) you need in order to gain power. That is why his leadership, when looked at overall, has been an abject failure.
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As for the mural, the mere fact it is being discussed would suggest it has anti-semite connotations. Anti-capitalist it may have been, anti Jewish I believe it to be.
It's being discussed because not everyone automatically that assumes a bearded guy counting money is anti-Semitic. I guess some of us haven't been programmed into groupthink yet...
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
The Labour party is the biggest political party in membership, in Europe, and Jeremy is being praised as the reason the numbers have increased so much.
Well it is good that He can pin that medel on his chest well done him.But the size ten boot print up his jacksie tells a total different story.Votes count his party did not get any.He rode the labour party into oblivion and if the party does not change they will not come back any time soon.
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Focussing on membership is meaningless. Corbyn is also being personally blamed for a collapse in their numbers of votes too, and that's a reflection of his rather narrow appeal. It's one thing to get your party faithful and die hard activists onboard, but quite another, and far more difficult, to cultivate popularity across the wider population - the very people whose votes (and numbers) you need in order to gain power. That is why his leadership, when looked at overall, has been an abject failure.
The problem was not his leadership per se, but the constant attackes by MSM quoting anti-semitism where there was noe in Corbyns situation, yes there may well, and almost certainly arre and were anti-semite MPs, but then again you have to compare that to the LACK of comments regarding the proven Islamophobic, racist, mysogynist and anti-semitic comments by Boris Johnson, he was never called out on that, perhaps because he avoided all media scrutiny apart from people he knew he could rely on, like Laura Kuessenberg, who conveniently hasn't been heard from since soon after the election, perhaps she was 'interviewing' him on Mustique, perhpas he likes threesomes.
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Old Jan 8th 2020, 12:47 pm
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The problem was not his leadership per se, but the constant attackes by MSM .
The sad thing is that this is never going to stop. Short of some massively embarrassing revelation about Boris (and nothing has damaged him so far) that forces the voters to question everything they've ever accepted and have some sort of reaction to being misled, any kind of Corbyn continuation is similarly doomed.
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The sad thing is that this is never going to stop. Short of some massively embarrassing revelation about Boris (and nothing has damaged him so far) that forces the voters to question everything they've ever accepted and have some sort of reaction to being misled, any kind of Corbyn continuation is similarly doomed.
That's because elections aren't decided on morality and principles. They're popularity contests and some theatrical personality, plus policies to a lesser extent, wins the day.

Corbyn, unlike Johnson, has zero charisma and isn't flashy or a smooth talker; making him utterly hopeless as a political leader.

It's all a massive game. Corbyn would rather argue about the rules instead of getting on with learning how to win.
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I understand Corbyn won the argument.
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Corbyn would rather argue about the rules instead of getting on with learning how to win.
Corbyn played by the rules, so did everyone else except the Tories.
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Corbyn played by the rules, so did everyone else except the Tories.
Maybe they did, or perhaps they just played a better game than everyone else. Have you taken your concerns and accusations to the Electoral Commission?
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Maybe they did, or perhaps they just played a better game than everyone else. Have you taken your concerns and accusations to the Electoral Commission?
As far as I know, yes. Interesting to note that just after the election there was a report about a local council election from MAY, where out of an electorate of 7,000, there were a total of 40,000 votes counted. When the recount was finished the Tory councillors who had been elected lost their seats, Tory votes had been counted several times for different candidates.
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