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Old Dec 30th 2019, 8:41 pm
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I'm not suggesting anyone who voted Leave is on a parallel with Nazis in the 1930's. Plenty of decent Germans voted for other National Socialist policies in the 1920's and 30's.

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Instead of 'think of the children, it's now 'Im willing to make the UK poorer for my children'.

and remember 'Taking Back Control', 'Strong and Stable', and Get Brexit Done'! More simple slogans that appealed to decent ordinary people
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So that's it then: all Leave voters are on a parallel with Nazis in 30s Germany. Thanks for clearing it up because I was a bit confused. You know, I thought you had worded it wrong but you just confirmed it.
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 8:44 pm
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Are you denying the holocaust?

Google Auschwitz. Here's another good starting point https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/the-holo...y-year/zkxwgwx

In my post, I said immigrants and Jews.
German Jews go back to the 400s, the 5th century, in what is now Germany. They were not immigrants. What are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by la mancha View Post
The history of the Jews in Germany goes back to the early Middle Ages (5th - 10th centuries) and High Middle Ages circa 1000-1299. During the 1300s many fled Germany to Poland but returned to Germany in the 1600s.

German Jews go back over a 1000 years in Germany. Those who the Nazis persecuted were German and not immigrants. It was racial and not anti-immigrant. Can you show me where Nazi Germany persecuted Jewish immigrants?
I pointed out that there was significant migration of Jews from Poland and the former Austro-Hungarian lands to Germany, post 1918.
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 8:59 pm
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I pointed out that there was significant migration of Jews from Poland and the former Austro-Hungarian lands to Germany, post 1918.
The Jews who went to Germany post 1918 did not go to stay. They went to go. Passing through is the word. Berlin was simply a way station for them.
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike View Post
Note - this was actually a hit song when I was growing up ... not a memory I particularly want to remember! Bay City Rollers, Osmonds, oh my!

So ... here are the lyrics ... I can't see anything reading it backwards ...
I was satirising those folk who claim to hear devil worshipping and such like from certain records played backwards and just thought of the most ridiculous example

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The Jews who went to Germany post 1918 did not go to stay. They went to go. Passing through is the word. Berlin was simply a way station for them.
Don’t you think that maybe some did, and some didn’t? Take the writers, Joseph Roth and Stephan Zweig. They both moved to Berlin, with the intention of staying. It didn’t work out for either of them (obvious reasons,) but that was their intention. Zweig wrote a very good essay, I can’t remember the title just now, about the mass migration of eastern Jews to Berlin.

One of the pretexts for war with Poland was the German demand that Poland accept the return of Polish citizens, mostly Jews, who had settled in Germany in the twenties and thirties.
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 9:24 pm
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So that's it then: all Leave voters are on a parallel with Nazis in 30s Germany. Thanks for clearing it up because I was a bit confused. You know, I thought you had worded it wrong but you just confirmed it.
Your statement, not mine, which is here;

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
I'm not suggesting anyone who voted Leave is on a parallel with Nazis in the 1930's. Plenty of decent Germans voted for other National Socialist policies in the 1920's and 30's.

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and remember 'Taking Back Control', 'Strong and Stable', and Get Brexit Done'! More simple slogans that appealed to decent ordinary people.
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German Jews go back to the 400s, the 5th century, in what is now Germany. They were not immigrants. What are you talking about?
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Nazi Germany evolved because some far-right individuals took control of a political party through blaming immigrants and Jews for Germany's problems
Note: I specifically stated immigrants and Jews.
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Originally Posted by la mancha View Post
As for your jibe at linking UKIP, the Brexit Party and the Tories to Nazi Germany, I think you have taken leave of your senses... Bloody idiot.
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I'm not suggesting anyone who voted Leave is on a parallel with Nazis in the 1930's.
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So that's it then: all Leave voters are on a parallel with Nazis in 30s Germany. Thanks for clearing it up because I was a bit confused. You know, I thought you had worded it wrong but you just confirmed it.
Are you an idiot or incapable of reading? Here, look, I bolded and underlined it for you.

Perhaps you made a mistake or should your post be reported for misrepresenting what was said?
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Old Dec 30th 2019, 9:29 pm
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I think by now we've established that virtually anything can be interpreted as "antisemitic".

But I think especially now, in this age, anything can be interpreted as anything that makes you feel better. Because the truth generally doesn't fit what you've been led to believe.
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Don’t you think that maybe some did, and some didn’t? Take the writers, Joseph Roth and Stephan Zweig. They both moved to Berlin, with the intention of staying. It didn’t work out for either of them (obvious reasons,) but that was their intention. Zweig wrote a very good essay, I can’t remember the title just now, about the mass migration of eastern Jews to Berlin.

One of the pretexts for war with Poland was the German demand that Poland accept the return of Polish citizens, mostly Jews, who had settled in Germany in the twenties and thirties.
Exactly. Passing through.

The poster said, 'Nazi Germany evolved because some far-right individuals took control of a political party through blaming immigrants and Jews for Germany's problems.'
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I originally asked who were the immigrants? They can't be Jews because the poster said immigrants and Jews. So, who were these immigrants the Nazis persecuted?
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I was satirising those folk who claim to hear devil worshipping and such like from certain records played backwards and just thought of the most ridiculous example
https://curiosity.com/topics/heres-w...ges-curiosity/

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Originally Posted by la mancha View Post
Those who the Nazis persecuted were German and not immigrants.
Approximately six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.
About 165,000 of those were German Jews.
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Originally Posted by la mancha View Post
Exactly. Passing through.

The poster said, 'Nazi Germany evolved because some far-right individuals took control of a political party through blaming immigrants and Jews for Germany's problems.'
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I originally asked who were the immigrants? They can't be Jews because the poster said immigrants and Jews. So, who were these immigrants the Nazis persecuted?
What is your problem? You can’t accept being corrected?

No, not all Jewish immigrants to Germany, 1918-1939, were “passing through”. A high percentage of them wished to settle in Germany. This fact was used by Nazis to stir up anti-Semitism in the German population.
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Are you an idiot or incapable of reading? Here, look, I bolded and underlined it for you.

Perhaps you made a mistake or should your post be reported for misrepresenting what was said?
Okay, I can see a long night coming on here.

The original poster stated, 'Nazi Germany evolved because some far-right individuals took control of a political party through blaming immigrants and Jews for Germany's problems (Tories, UKIP and Brexit Party anyone?)....... If anything, those in the UK blaming the EU and foreigners for the UK's ills would be a more fitting parallel. 'Would be a more fitting parallel.' That seems pretty clear to me.

He then tries to backtrack by saying,'

I'm not suggesting anyone who voted Leave is on a parallel with Nazis in the 1930's

Then goes on to recite Nazi propaganda and finishes by saying, ‘Instead of 'think of the children, it's now 'Im willing to make the UK poorer for my children'.
and remember 'Taking Back Control', 'Strong and Stable', and Get Brexit Done'! More simple slogans that appealed to decent ordinary people.'


If you can read, tell me how you interpret it?

Report me??? OMG!!!

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What is your problem? You can’t accept being corrected?

No, not all Jewish immigrants to Germany, 1918-1939, were “passing through”. A high percentage of them wished to settle in Germany. This fact was used by Nazis to stir up anti-Semitism in the German population.
Yup, definitely a long one.

The original poster stated, 'Nazi Germany evolved because some far-right individuals took control of a political party through blaming immigrants and Jews for Germany's problems...'

I asked him who were the immigrants?

You decided to answer for him by saying, 'Jewish immigrants from Poland, and from Galicia and other parts of the former Austro-Hungary. Large numbers had settled in Germany since the end of the war, in response to wars and pogroms in Central Europe.'

I have since pointed out that these were Jews. I ask again, who were the immigrants the Nazis persecuted? Obviously they were not Jews because our learned poster said quite clearly, immigrants and Jews. There may be some, I really don't know. If you don't know then don't drive me mad with this all night.
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