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Old Feb 11th 2020, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
Apparently we are the 2nd least affordable city in the world when it comes to housing.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...n-world-report

"Vancouver’s median multiple of 12.6 is the second worst (Hong Kong’s median is 20.9) among the 91 cities ranked. Vancouver’s median is the same as last year after Sydney’s affordability improved slightly (11.7 from 12.9.)"

We have no democrats here, and up until 2 years or so ago, BC Liberals which are actually conservative more than liberal where in power, if anything the leftist NDP in power now has done more, but they have to tow a fine line since they don't have a majority government and require support of the green power to maintain government.
Why doesn't the Federal Government in Ottawa step in and provide the funding for affordable apartments and housing? Your PM is a liberal and leftist in his political agendas. I would have thought that affordable housing would be one of his priorities and the population needing such housing and numbers of homeless are much smaller than in California.
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You forget that much of his base are old white voters. How many of them would be willing to see their Medicare coverage trashed and their S.S checks cut by a third ?. Don't forget that the Baby Boomers who are retiring in ever increasing number for the most part haven't (according to statistics) saved enough money for retirement. Your comment above makes absolutely no sense at all.
He can still cut it all back as much as he feels isn't "socialism" anymore. Then just tell them that he's "rescued it" from the "democrats". That at least, would be consistent with the demeanour that's kept his base on board, and as noble a cause as there is, not? Besides, why does he need to worry about voters? He'll win any election in a "landslide".
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Originally Posted by dc koop View Post
Why doesn't the Federal Government in Ottawa step in and provide the funding for affordable apartments and housing? Your PM is a liberal and leftist in his political agendas. I would have thought that affordable housing would be one of his priorities and the population needing such housing and numbers of homeless are much smaller than in California.
We have around 2,300 homeless I believe the last time the city counted, likely higher considering those who live in cars and such. This is only for the city of Vancouver, 600,000 or so population, there will more more in the entire metro region, pretty much every city in the region has a homeless issue, smaller than say Seattle but we also have better social services so we end up with homeless because of better services.




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Old Feb 11th 2020, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
You know its just us younger people not working hard enough,if we just work harder we can afford that $1 million dollar fixer upper, or that 2,000 a month 1 bedroom apartment rental, all while making a wage nowhere close to what is needed, median household income here is barely 80,000, average fixer upper pushing 1 million, simple math, its not about lack of hard work.

You need an income so above the median household to own a house here now, its not because people don't work hard enough, there are a lot of well educated, skilled professionals who's wages are insufficient to own (nurses, teachers, paramedics wages all below what is needed to own a home here now.)

I could work 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, never sleep and still not make enough to buy a house here, pretty sad huh? Of course if I just work a little harder, things will work out even if there are physically not enough hours in a day to do so.
You just need longer bootstraps.

Actually what you need is to be able to get back this way again, where the cost of living is considerably lower than Vancouver but I know that isn't exactly something you can do on a whim. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you're not paid worth shit anyway. It's just 40-50 years of shoveling shit and then if you're lucky you'll have 10 years to try to enjoy where you don't have to work before you die. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and all it did was to lead us to world where we are subservient to a bunch of ****ing silver spoons who couldn't be less out of touch with the workers if all their fingers fell off.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
He can still cut it all back as much as he feels isn't "socialism" anymore. Then just tell them that he's "rescued it" from the "democrats". That at least, would be consistent with the demeanour that's kept his base on board, and as noble a cause as there is, not? Besides, why does he need to worry about voters? He'll win any election in a "landslide".
It's up to the Democrats to field a candidate who can beat him.

For the many who rely on a Social Security check every month there's nothing like receiving a letter telling them that as of a certain date their benefit will be slashed 15 percent as a cost cutting budget measure. Party loyalties only last as long as the bread and butter don't disappear from the table
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 View Post
We have around 2,300 homeless I believe the last time the city counted, likely higher considering those who live in cars and such. This is only for the city of Vancouver, 600,000 or so population, there will more more in the entire metro region, pretty much every city in the region has a homeless issue, smaller than say Seattle but we also have better social services so we end up with homeless because of better services.
60,000 in Los Angeles last count. Perhaps many of them are from other States. The climate makes it easier for outdoor sleeping perhaps But I'm talking about affordable housing for those who have steady jobs, living clean free of drugs bur are lower income. Canada is a stinky rich country. Why doesn't Trudeau address the problem in Vancouver to make affordable housing within reach of those I've mentioned?
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You just need longer bootstraps.

Actually what you need is to be able to get back this way again, where the cost of living is considerably lower than Vancouver but I know that isn't exactly something you can do on a whim. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you're not paid worth shit anyway. It's just 40-50 years of shoveling shit and then if you're lucky you'll have 10 years to try to enjoy where you don't have to work before you die. Hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and all it did was to lead us to world where we are subservient to a bunch of ****ing silver spoons who couldn't be less out of touch with the workers if all their fingers fell off.
I don't take any of the people who say just move seriously anymore, gee why didn't I think of that, I have and have done the research, most of the time wage also drops in the low cost of living area and end result is no real net gain, yes moving can help, but its not something that can just be done, takes resources often resources people lack.

Hard work alone doesn't seem to matter, its more about who you know, if Joe the lazy blob knows the right people, he will get the job before John who works his butt off but is consistently turned down for advancement for not knowing the right people. If all it took was hard work, every farm laborer out there should be flush with cash.

Now with AI advancing, not sure how society is going to deal with that as more and more jobs are done by AI in the coming decades, and not just low skill jobs, AI will very likely replace skilled jobs as well eventually, I don't see a rosy future, the change is happening too rapid and governments are too slow to react.





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I don't take any of the people who say just move seriously anymore, gee why didn't I think of that, I have and have done the research, most of the time wage also drops in the low cost of living area and end result is no real net gain, yes moving can help, but its not something that can just be done, takes resources often resources people lack.
I was only being half serious, just saying it would be nice if it would be possible for you. I didn't mean just pack up and move, I hope you realized that, sorry.
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60,000 in Los Angeles last count. Perhaps many of them are from other States. The climate makes it easier for outdoor sleeping perhaps But I'm talking about affordable housing for those who have steady jobs, living clean free of drugs bur are lower income. Canada is a stinky rich country. Why doesn't Trudeau address the problem in Vancouver to make affordable housing within reach of those I've mentioned?
Money just like anywhere else, only so much of it. Canada is more fiscally responsible when compared to the US, housing is largely also a provincial level issue so the change has to start there, and to be fair BC has been investing into more housing, and mental health facilities, just can't be built overnight, current provincial government has only been in power 3 years after 15 some odd year of BC Liberals who didn't invest much into social services (BC Liberals despite their name are not really liberal, they are more conservative) which in part led to the lack of social housing, BC Gov't has likely done more in the last 3 years then previous 15 before that, but still only so much money to go around and a lot of aging infrastructure needing to be replaced, but they are investing into housing, also the land issue, look at a map of Vancouver land is scarce which doesn't help. City of Vancouver is actually a very small city land-wise at 115 km².

There isn't an unlimited stream of tax revenue, not sure why you think the government just has all this spare money laying around, same problems here as the US, tax increases piss people off, so politicians prefer not to increase taxes.

I suppose the government could cut benefits to over 65+ to fund housing.

This chart is only federal spending, and is a couple years old but the most recent I could find, so the numbers are likely a bit higher now, but gives an idea, this is only federal spending, anywhere you see transfer are payments to provinces to fund services.

48 billion goes to over 65+ group.
20 billion to employment insurance for those who lose their jobs through no fault of their own or medical reasons.
22 billion to parents for child benefits
36 billion in health transfer to provinces to help fund healthcare (healthcare here is partially funded by the federal government with the remaining funds from the province.)
13.3 billion to Canada social transfer. Payments to provinces to help fund social programs and education.
17 billion for fiscal arrangements.
41 billion in other transfer payments to provinces
2 billion gas tax fund for various infrastructure https://www.infrastructure.gc.ca/pla...9-nat-eng.html
8 billion for crown corporations
25 billion to national defense
51 billion all other federal departments and agencies
24 billion to finance public debt charges

As you can see a good chunk of money goes back to the people in the form of benefits, healthcare, and services.

But at the end of the day there is only so much money to go around.

You also have to keep in mind there are 38 million people spread over 9.985 million km² and yes while most live in certain southern regions, there is still a hell of a lot of land mass the government is responsible for, BC is 944,735 km² with the population of the Boston metro area, imagine managing that much land, roads, city's towns etc with the tax base of a large US metro area.
















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I was only being half serious, just saying it would be nice if it would be possible for you. I didn't mean just pack up and move, I hope you realized that, sorry.
I know you didn't, I was referencing those who always tell the poor just move as if its that easy. Those folks never take into account the costs alone and all the barriers to moving and resources needed that poor often lack.

Long gone are the days where you could load up the family and just move, this isn't 1930 anymore.
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I know you didn't, I was referencing those who always tell the poor just move as if its that easy. Those folks never take into account the costs alone and all the barriers to moving and resources needed that poor often lack.

Long gone are the days where you could load up the family and just move, this isn't 1930 anymore.
That's what I thought, just making sure.

But yeah, there is always crap like that. 'Just move', 'just get a new job'. As if people think you can just walk in off the street and be hired, instead of having to negotiate your way through clickbait applications, and toxic hiring processes for a job where the salary seems to be a more closely guarded secret than the Colonel's formula.
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You just need longer bootstraps.
Are there grants available? (shouldn't really laugh but...)

Actually what you need is to be able to get back this way again, where the cost of living is considerably lower than Vancouver but I know that isn't exactly something you can do on a whim. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you're not paid worth shit anyway.
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I don't take any of the people who say just move seriously anymore, gee why didn't I think of that, I have and have done the research, most of the time wage also drops in the low cost of living area and end result is no real net gain.
I'd just like to cut in here, not to disagree with anyone but for anyone else looking in and SOS who is interested too.

Me and Js have gone into this in quite a bit of detail over the years and I am one of those who lives in a far lower housing cost area.
I'm not breaking any confidences here but Js has a particularly difficult set of circumstances, a major one being that the disability benefit paid in BC is one that's not transferable to another province. Their drug coverage is good too.

With nothing more than a straight cash comparison I'm certain that this would be the better place to be for someone on a low income. Even a two bedroom apartment in a nice area can be had for less than $800 including heating costs which are obviously much higher here..

The difference between minimum wage in NB and BC is about $2 an hour. So if you're on a 40 hour week at MW that's $80 a week. Even if you didn't pay any extra tax on that it comes to $346 monthly but is probably around $290 extra after tax.

So - again considering nothing more than minimum wage/rent and ignoring the specific complications - one might expect take home pay of around $300 a month more in Vancouver, BC than Moncton, NB.

And if rent on a nice place in Moncton is $800, then a comparable situation in Vancouver for someone on minimum wage would be renting a nice place for $1100.

That doesn't sound very likely.

Put another way, wage levels in the low housing cost area may well be lower but the minimum wage levels are not that far apart across Canada so there's a certain 'protection' in that net pay on minimum wage isn't going to fall so dramatically that it would cancel out the reduction in the housing costs.
(on a side note, I've also done the comparison with minimum wage/average rent in the UK with that of NB and if someone could find the immigration route, they'd do far better over here than in the UK)

Now, in Js's case he has to consider the safety net and worse case scenario of no work. And in BC, where he qualifies for the disability money, he has a safety net that he wouldn't have here.

For other people, with no disability money to lose by moving, they'd be better off here because of the lower rent cost.

In fact, I just took a look at the social assistance rates and for someone with no health issues and work ready, what you get is actually higher in NB than BC And that's a real shocker. I didn't expect to see that.

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That's what I thought, just making sure.

But yeah, there is always crap like that. 'Just move', 'just get a new job'. As if people think you can just walk in off the street and be hired, instead of having to negotiate your way through clickbait applications, and toxic hiring processes for a job where the salary seems to be a more closely guarded secret than the Colonel's formula.
Employers could save everyone time if they were more upfront with salary range, and the whole using words like excellent, and very competitive, blah blah and its like 5 cents over min wage, hint employers 5 cents over min wage doesn't classify as excellent.

I've sent out feelers to other city's for jobs, the response if there is even one is always the same contact us when you arrive in the area, nobody is ever interested in interviewing out of town lower skill applicants, why would they when they likely have plenty of local applications, and I can't move without a job lined up first, big catch in moving, can't move without employment first but employers wont consider out of town applicants or even entertain a skype type interview, low wage and low skill jobs are not nearly as easy to get either as some may think, a low skill job can get hundred + applicants.

And the hiring process with filling out website boxes and taking tests wasting 45 minutes of your life answering idiotic questions and not even an automated email reply, thanks for letting me waste my time.





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Are there grants available? (shouldn't really laugh but...)
They'd tell you that grants are socialism, probably.

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Employers could save everyone time if they were more upfront with salary range, and the whole using words like excellent, and very competitive, blah blah and its like 5 cents over min wage, hint employers 5 cents over min wage doesn't classify as excellent.

I've sent out feelers to other city's for jobs, the response if there is even one is always the same contact us when you arrive in the area, nobody is ever interested in interviewing out of town lower skill applicants, why would they when they likely have plenty of local applications, and I can't move without a job lined up first, big catch in moving, can't move without employment first but employers wont consider out of town applicants or even entertain a skype type interview, low wage and low skill jobs are not nearly as easy to get either as some may think, a low skill job can get hundred + applicants.

And the hiring process with filling out website boxes and taking tests wasting 45 minutes of your life answering idiotic questions and not even an automated email reply, thanks for letting me waste my time.
It's absolutely mind melting, and when I was applying for jobs leading to when I got this one, I was still working at the time. I can't imagine the stress of trying to do that while also unemployed. It would suck the life out of me.
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General assistance is quite low in BC, it was raised a year or 2 ago but sat stagnant for like a decade.

PWD is higher and from what I can tell NB doesn't have an equivalent to that?








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I'd just like to cut in here, not to disagree with anyone but for anyone else looking in and SOS who is interested too.

Me and Js have gone into this in quite a bit of detail over the years and I am one of those who lives in a far lower housing cost area.
I'm not breaking any confidences here but Js has a particularly difficult set of circumstances, a major one being that the disability benefit paid in BC is one that's not transferable to another province. Their drug coverage is good too.

With nothing more than a straight cash comparison I'm certain that this would be the better place to be for someone on a low income. Even a two bedroom apartment in a nice area can be had for less than $800 including heating costs which are obviously much higher here..

The difference between minimum wage in NB and BC is about $2 an hour. So if you're on a 40 hour week at MW that's $80 a week. Even if you didn't pay any extra tax on that it comes to $346 monthly but is probably around $290 extra after tax.

So - again considering nothing more than minimum wage/rent and ignoring the specific complications - one might expect take home pay of around $300 a month more in Vancouver, BC than Moncton, NB.

And if rent on a nice place in Moncton is $800, then a comparable situation in Vancouver for someone on minimum wage would be renting a nice place for $1100.

That doesn't sound very likely.

Put another way, wage levels in the low housing cost area may well be lower but the minimum wage levels are not that far apart across Canada so there's a certain 'protection' in that net pay on minimum wage isn't going to fall so dramatically that it would cancel out the reduction in the housing costs.
(on a side note, I've also done the comparison with minimum wage/average rent in the UK with that of NB and if someone could find the immigration route, they'd do far better over here than in the UK)

Now, in Js's case he has to consider the safety net and worse case scenario of no work. And in BC, where he qualifies for the disability money, he has a safety net that he wouldn't have here.

For other people, with no disability money involved, they'd be better off here because of the lower rent cost.

In fact, I just took a look at the social assistance rates and for someone with no health issues and work ready, what you get is actually higher in NB than BC And that's a real shocker.
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