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Old Nov 7th 2019, 9:07 pm
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You mean the more the health problems the higher the premium?. That's hardly fair. Those with health problems are many times poorer in personal finances than those who have very little or no problems .
That part of the sentence also connected to the front bit about making it illegal to do that. Apologies for not being clearer.
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As often stated before, making the ACA better and tailoring each coverage under the plan to suit the age and affordability since a person under 50 is not likely to need the coverage that an 70 plus year old would need generally speaking would be a lot less than 50 trillion dollars and dragging millions of people into a plan they don't want and those who are spouting off about Med for All HAVE YET TO EXPLAIN how such a plan would be financed other than bullshit about billionaires being the solution
Again, what is the combined cost of the current systems?
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As often stated before, making the ACA better and tailoring each coverage under the plan to suit the age and affordability since a person under 50 is not likely to need the coverage that an 70 plus year old would need generally speaking would be a lot less than 50 trillion dollars and dragging millions of people into a plan they don't want and those who are spouting off about Med for All HAVE YET TO EXPLAIN how such a plan would be financed other than bullshit about billionaires being the solution
Not sure what you mean? Why would it cost more than the present horrendously expensive US system? One estimate of current cost is 52 trillion dollars over ten years. Medicare for All should cost less than this.
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Too bad they don't have treatments to clean out filthy mouths.

Oh if only somebody would invent such a thing.

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This kind of story is sad and its a true story.

28 year old man dies from cancer, he had oral cancer, didn't think much of it at first, it got worse but he had crummy insurance with a high deductible so he put off seeing the doctor since he could not afford to actually see a doctor, eventually pain gets too bad, goes to ER, diagnosed with cancer, it had spread and wasn't treatable at that point.
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Old Nov 8th 2019, 5:22 am
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Not sure what you mean? Why would it cost more than the present horrendously expensive US system? One estimate of current cost is 52 trillion dollars over ten years. Medicare for All should cost less than this.
Why should Med for All cost less than 52 trillion? Why should millions of those who have health plans that suit them be forced into it? Regarding the British NHS which overall works well enough despite continuously running at a loss explain if you can why currently the average wait time for a regular doctor appointment is now running at eight weeks? Why eight weeks? Do you think that's reasonable ? I'd like to know the reason.
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...explain if you can why currently the average wait time for a regular doctor appointment is now running at eight weeks? Why eight weeks? Do you think that's reasonable ? I'd like to know the reason.
Can you give the link with this info please? I have never heard of anyone in the UK waiting for more than 3 weeks and even that was because my niece only wanted to see her GP and they were on holiday.

Only anecdotal but everyone I know in the UK is seen inside two weeks but generally it's three or 4 days. They're in different parts of the country.
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Can you give the link with this info please? I have never heard of anyone in the UK waiting for more than 3 weeks and even that was because my niece only wanted to see her GP and they were on holiday.

Only anecdotal but everyone I know in the UK is seen inside two weeks but generally it's three or 4 days. They're in different parts of the country.
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I was there for 3 years and never waited longer than 4 days, and even that was unusually long.
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This kind of story is sad and its a true story.

28 year old man dies from cancer, he had oral cancer, didn't think much of it at first, it got worse but he had crummy insurance with a high deductible so he put off seeing the doctor since he could not afford to actually see a doctor, eventually pain gets too bad, goes to ER, diagnosed with cancer, it had spread and wasn't treatable at that point.
Where was this? How much would a doctor's appointment have cost him wherever it was?. The average doctor's visit here runs around ten dollars for a consultation even with the simplest basic coverage . Any insurance company that wouldn't even cover for a simple doctors visit should not even have been in the business in the first place . It's a wonder that it even existed at all. If a cough is persistent along with a chronic sore throat that didn't go away it should have raised alarm bells in anyone. Not to be taken lightly or not thought much of.

A friend of mine whose 19 year old brother developed cancer in a leg bone told me her family weren't able to foot the estimated of some 30 K for treatment. They got something called Go Fund Me. We all chipped in along with a few hundred others and raised pretty near that amount in the end.


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Where was this? How much would a doctor's appointment have cost him wherever it was?. The average doctor's visit here runs around ten dollars for a consultation even with the simplest basic coverage . Any insurance company that wouldn't even cover for a simple doctors visit should not even have been in the business in the first place . It's a wonder that it even existed at all. If a cough is persistent along with a chronic sore throat that didn't go away should have raised alarm bells in anyone.
Is it impossible for you to understand that some people don't have ten dollars to spare? That ten dollars can mean the difference between eating that day or not?
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Somewhere in the US.

Have you ever actually looked at say the California exchange to see what the plans actually are like?

When I was thinking of moving back, looking at the plans I could afford, I really don't think I would have been able to actually go to the doctor.

Lot's of people in the US put off seeing a doctor because they can't afford to. For some $10 is too much, if I had to pay $10 for my doctor appointment tomorrow, I would have to cancel, I don't have access to $10 right now.

This week alone I saw a specialist, had 3 different lab tests done, tomorrow I am seeing my GP as well as getting 2 X-ray's done, now imagine if I were in the US with no money, I would be screwed,


Here is an example of a plan for a single adult, as you can see the doctor visit is more than $10. (single adult making 33,000 per year)

178.07 per month premium
$6300 deductible
2 visits for primary care without needing to meet deductible @ $65 per visit
Specialist visit is $95 after deductible is met
Lab test $40 a pop
Diagnostic imaging 40% co-insurance after deductible
Hospital 40% co-insurance after deductible

To get a $0 deductible plan lowest I see is $245 per month but a doctor visit is still $30 per visit for primary care, $65 for a specialist

None of the plans offer a $10 doctor visit, lowest is $15 but the monthly premium is $359




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Where was this? How much would a doctor's appointment have cost him wherever it was?. The average doctor's visit here runs around ten dollars for a consultation even with the simplest basic coverage . Any insurance company that wouldn't even cover for a simple doctors visit should not even have been in the business in the first place . It's a wonder that it even existed at all. If a cough is persistent along with a chronic sore throat that didn't go away should have raised alarm bells in anyone.
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Where was this? How much would a doctor's appointment have cost him wherever it was?. The average doctor's visit here runs around ten dollars for a consultation even with the simplest basic coverage . Any insurance company that wouldn't even cover for a simple doctors visit should not even have been in the business in the first place . It's a wonder that it even existed at all. If a cough is persistent along with a chronic sore throat that didn't go away it should have raised alarm bells in anyone. Not to be taken lightly or not thought much of.
This is simply untrue as has already been posted. Plus, people are scared because they suspect they'll have to fork out $$$ for a test, e,g, an MRI, that will come out of their $6k deductible etc etc. Not hard to see why people, even those with insurance, put off visiting the doctor. Time for you to come off your "keep your government hands off my Medicare" pedestal.

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A friend of mine whose 19 year old brother developed cancer in a leg bone told me her family weren't able to foot the estimated of some 30 K for treatment. They got something called Go Fund Me. We all chipped in along with a few hundred others and raised pretty near that amount in the end.
Are you recommending this as a reasonable way to provide health care access??
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Somewhere in the US.

Have you ever actually looked at say the California exchange to see what the plans actually are like?

When I was thinking of moving back, looking at the plans I could afford, I really don't think I would have been able to actually go to the doctor.

Lot's of people in the US put off seeing a doctor because they can't afford to. For some $10 is too much, if I had to pay $10 for my doctor appointment tomorrow, I would have to cancel, I don't have access to $10 right now.

This week alone I saw a specialist, had 3 different lab tests done, tomorrow I am seeing my GP as well as getting 2 X-ray's done, now imagine if I were in the US with no money, I would be screwed,


Here is an example of a plan for a single adult, as you can see the doctor visit is more than $10. (single adult making 33,000 per year)

178.07 per month premium
$6300 deductible
2 visits for primary care without needing to meet deductible @ $65 per visit
Specialist visit is $95 after deductible is met
Lab test $40 a pop
Diagnostic imaging 40% co-insurance after deductible
Hospital 40% co-insurance after deductible

To get a $0 deductible plan lowest I see is $245 per month but a doctor visit is still $30 per visit for primary care, $65 for a specialist

None of the plans offer a $10 doctor visit, lowest is $15 but the monthly premium is $359
Which US health plan are you quoting from?
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Donald Trump has been ordered by a judge to pay $2m in damages for illegally using funds intended for charity to boost his 2016 presidential election campaign.
The US president admitted to personally misusing the money, according to New York’s attorney general, despite having previously denied any wrongdoing.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...misuse-lawsuit

A couple of questions. What, if anything, happens to a President who's found guilty of using charity funds for their own personal gain? And, is there a law that prevents such people from seeking office again?


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Which US health plan are you quoting from?
While you're waiting for that, would you mind providing the link that validates your statement about the UK NHS - 'currently the average wait time for a regular doctor appointment is now running at eight weeks'?
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