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Old Jun 5th 2019, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
That ignores the rest of the bennies they will typically be getting - housing benefit etc etc.

Of course as the UK *needs* to import hundreds of thousands of migrants a year, there is no real excuse for anyone to be on unemployment bennies for long.
Don you have e that mantra tattooed on your forehead..?
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 6:25 pm
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Don you have e that mantra tattooed on your forehead..?
Just pointing out that the £10 co-pay charge will not be a huge hassle for someone on bennies as they are unlikely to be on bennies for long as there are so many jobs available.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 7:09 pm
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Privatization within a healthcare system isn't necessarily bad, nor does it mean going to the extreme end like the US.

Here in BC the government provides the payment for services, but many medical services are provided by private companies, I go get blood work done its a private company, x-ray place and ultrasound place the same, pharmacies are for profit retailers, doctors are largely self employed etc etc.

I as the patient pay nothing at time of service for covered procedures, the service provider bills the government directly.

Since providers can't bill if a patient no shows, most have no show fees they will charge the patient and may not see the patient until the fee is paid in full.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 7:13 pm
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I see Creepy Joe has been caught plagiarising his Climate Change policy.
What makes him come across as creepy to you?
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 8:44 pm
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No one only gets £10/day bennies
Benefit rate for 24 and under = £57.90. Daily rate £8.27 So that's one group with less than £10 daily total.
Benefit rate for 25 and up = £73.10. Anyone sacked, resigning, sanctioned for whatever reason gets less than £10 a day. That's another group.

For those who receive HB, according to Shelter, in most cases the HB does not cover the rent so they have to make it up. Any shortfall only needs to be £2 a month to leave them less than £10 daily. According to Shelter, a quarter of families have to make up more than £100 a month.

Non renting family of 4, total benefit income (UC and CB) £266.93 (Turn2Us) less than £10 daily each.
Renting family, the shortfall means even less.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 8:57 pm
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The average American or just those with poor or no insurance?

My recent experience of waiting 6 weeks to see a UK Dr who will then futz around for weeks avoiding the MRI I will need, does not compare well with my experience in the US.

Most people when dying are of an age where they are getting Medicare - the socialised system.

At the end of the day, providing some NHS services via private providers does not necessarily mean it won't be free at the point of use. Personally I think that some form of payments via co-pays etc are essential for the future of the NHS to dissuade frivolous use.
There are so many multiple holes in the American healthcare system where a person can fall through, that one post can hardly begin to list them all. Our healthcare system for those that are 65 & above is not that bad because it's part of the written and morally covered mindset of the nation, but those that are younger who are unfortunate to get sick are certainly not covered by our system. And paying for your own health insurance is not a option for the average American because their premium would be around the $700 monthly rate. And that is true only if they don't have pre-existing conditions which most people will have once they get further along in the aging process. And that covers only one person, a couple would be closer to $1400 per month and keep in mind the premium is higher for women than men. Sad but true. and we're not including any 18+ year old kids in that home. The cost can rise above $3000 to cover a five member family. The human body is like a fine automobile that has to be maintained with regular maintenance, and along the way there are going to be things that will need repairs. There are literally 90 million people in America that either have low budget health insurance that don't cover real life maintenance measures that every person needs, to keep from getting seriously ill, or people that don't have any form of healthcare at all. And those are the people that have no other choice but to go years without ever seeing a physician for regular check-ups of any kind. These people often have to make the horrible choice of either eating and paying their rent or taking a child for regular pediatrician visits. And low paid jobs that offer health insurance are often too expensive for most employees because the employer don't substantially help subsidize the cost to help their workers.

I'm not including those people that are lucky enough to have well paid employment which offer health insurance that is subsidized by their employer, nor am I including the many individuals that are financially well off and can afford the high cost of living and pay for their health care including a medical crisis that could cost a million dollars out of pocket. I could never be one of those people that can forget about the many people who struggle every day to make it just because I'm doing well. Even a somewhat wealthy person could be wiped out if a illness were to mount up cost that run into the multiple millions of dollars. Everyone should have the mentality of we are all in this together and try to solve this crazy thinking that says healthcare is not a national right. In America just being in hospice care and dying with dignity is not a right and not covered by the state. The only safeguard in America is to have wealth, a well paid job with quality affordable insurance that is partly subsidized by the employer or to be 65 and qualify for Medicaid, That is the difference why nearly 90 million people fall throw the healthcare system gap. At least in the UK the private insurance is affordable enough were a person can pay out of pocket for the average person and maybe that would help to avoid some of those long lines. Do you agree having private insurance would help to avoid some of the wait time to have test done and to seek medical care?

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Old Jun 5th 2019, 9:59 pm
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It's easy - do an opinion survey of the nation and only charge those who think we're not already paying enough in general taxation to cover it.

Ask a supplementary question as to how much it would take in their opinion to fix things and multiply it up to make up the full amount. So if 20% think 10 quid a pop for seeing a GP is what's required, charge them 50 quid a go.
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Old Jun 6th 2019, 12:12 am
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What makes him come across as creepy to you?
It's a rightwing meme, which has its origins in the touchy-feely way Joe interacts with some women. At the same time, the right downplays or just outright ignores the misogynistic things Trump has said.

And in other news...Tucker Carlson feels the urge to defend Trump against the protesters in London, saying they were "sad people in a sad country". Fellow Fox News shill Laura Ingraham chimes in to support Tucker.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-fox-n...151724717.html

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What makes him come across as creepy to you?
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There are so many multiple holes in the American healthcare system where a person can fall through, that one post can hardly begin to list them all. Our healthcare system for those that are 65 & above is not that bad because it's part of the written and morally covered mindset of the nation, but those that are younger who are unfortunate to get sick are certainly not covered by our system. And paying for your own health insurance is not a option for the average American because their premium would be around the $700 monthly rate. And that is true only if they don't have pre-existing conditions which most people will have once they get further along in the aging process. And that covers only one person, a couple would be closer to $1400 per month and keep in mind the premium is higher for women than men. Sad but true. and we're not including any 18+ year old kids in that home. The cost can rise above $3000 to cover a five member family. The human body is like a fine automobile that has to be maintained with regular maintenance, and along the way there are going to be things that will need repairs. There are literally 90 million people in America that either have low budget health insurance that don't cover real life maintenance measures that every person needs, to keep from getting seriously ill, or people that don't have any form of healthcare at all. And those are the people that have no other choice but to go years without ever seeing a physician for regular check-ups of any kind. These people often have to make the horrible choice of either eating and paying their rent or taking a child for regular pediatrician visits. And low paid jobs that offer health insurance are often too expensive for most employees because the employer don't substantially help subsidize the cost to help their workers.

I'm not including those people that are lucky enough to have well paid employment which offer health insurance that is subsidized by their employer, nor am I including the many individuals that are financially well off and can afford the high cost of living and pay for their health care including a medical crisis that could cost a million dollars out of pocket. I could never be one of those people that can forget about the many people who struggle every day to make it just because I'm doing well. Even a somewhat wealthy person could be wiped out if a illness were to mount up cost that run into the multiple millions of dollars. Everyone should have the mentality of we are all in this together and try to solve this crazy thinking that says healthcare is not a national right. In America just being in hospice care and dying with dignity is not a right and not covered by the state. The only safeguard in America is to have wealth, a well paid job with quality affordable insurance that is partly subsidized by the employer or to be 65 and qualify for Medicaid, That is the difference why nearly 90 million people fall throw the healthcare system gap. At least in the UK the private insurance is affordable enough were a person can pay out of pocket for the average person and maybe that would help to avoid some of those long lines. Do you agree having private insurance would help to avoid some of the wait time to have test done and to seek medical care?
I do - but per before, some Brits are already paying a hefty chunk for the NHS and to then have to pay again seems a little steep.

I'm aware of the US system, I had cancer whilst living in the US plus two operations after accidents - the care was better than the UK, but costlier out of pocket - hence my comment about free at the point of use (subject to a small co-pay to reduce frivolous use).




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Today 6th June D Day is being remembered !
British - Canadian & USA Troops swarmed ashore in Normandy
They died in there thousands
A memorial is in place where the first troops landed.
The Heads off Government from France & UK are there as is a representative from Canada
Where is the head off Government off USA who is absent ?
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Lifted from another thread
Un bloody believable
https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...work-out-well/
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I do - but per before, some Brits are already paying a hefty chunk for the NHS and to then have to pay again seems a little steep.

I'm aware of the US system, I had cancer whilst living in the US plus two operations after accidents - the care was better than the UK, but costlier out of pocket - hence my comment about free at the point of use (subject to a small co-pay to reduce frivolous use).
I'm sorry you went through a health scare while in the States. I hope and pray everything is much better for you now.
I do find it interesting you feel the healthcare was better in the States. In what way would you say the care was better?

My wife, I and the kids will be moving to the UK by the end of next year and the plan is to have both private and the national health insurance and mostly because we don't know what to expect once over there. But we feel very optimistic.

Do you feel that the care in the UK is better in some ways compared to what you've experienced in the States? May I also ask which state in America did you call home?

One of the issues I have with the co-pay system in the States is for seniors once retired. I think it's unjust that people who are retired and making a lot less money should be forced to have supplemental insurance or secondary insurance. Often times these insurance plans can cost $400 per month which is not always possible on a fixed budget.
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One of the issues I have with the co-pay system in the States is for seniors once retired. I think it's unjust that people who are retired and making a lot less money should be forced to have supplemental insurance or secondary insurance. Often times these insurance plans can cost $400 per month which is not always possible on a fixed budget.
Whats your suggestion? The tax payers suck it all up? I work in the financial side of healthcare, trust me, it’s good that they have skin in the game. The rest of us have too.
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