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Old Jun 5th 2019, 2:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
Nothing to stop anyone who thinks private healthcare is better from purchasing it in the UK.
Yes there is - the fact that they are already paying for the NHS would mean they are now paying for two heathcares.

There doesn't seem to be much available on the scale of "frivolous" use but if it really is a problem, maybe education is the answer rather than a blanket charge which is most likely to deter those who both most need attention and can least afford to pay.
In my local surgery there was a sign saying that 32% of appointments were a no-show. This seems like it's higher than the average.

Data shows more than 15 million consultations are being wasted because patients fail to show up.
NHS England said each appointment cost an average of £30 and the overall expense of patients not cancelling appointments could pay for the annual salary of 2,325 full-time GPs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46732626

Charging people to see their GP may seem a somewhat perverse idea. Wasn’t the central founding principle of the health service the rejection of price as a way to allocate health care? Wouldn’t charges be unfair and the very abnegation of this principle?

On the other hand, surely a nominal charge – £10 a visit, say – would not only raise significant amounts of money for a cash-strapped NHS but also deal with the perennial complaint from GPs that they often see people who have rather trivial medical complaints – often self-limiting or easily treated by patients themselves?
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/reports...0-to-see-a-gp/

You can't educate these types of people - have you learned nothing from the Brexit referendum? - some people are not capable of making the right decisions.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 2:58 pm
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My information is well out of date but certainly was a problem and doubt it has got any better?
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Yes there is - the fact that they are already paying for the NHS would mean they are now paying for two heathcares.
That shouldn't be a bar to the elite - they like paying lots of money for things. It distinguishes them from the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
In my local surgery there was a sign saying that 32% of appointments were a no-show. This seems like it's higher than the average.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46732626


https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/reports...0-to-see-a-gp/

You can't educate these types of people - have you learned nothing from the Brexit referendum? - some people are not capable of making the right decisions.
OK - I didn't realise you were talking about appointments not kept although I still don't regard charging all comers as a realistic solution to that.

Probably the wrong thread for in-depth discussion on the matter, though.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
That shouldn't be a bar to the elite - they like paying lots of money for things. It distinguishes them from the rest of us.


OK - I didn't realise you were talking about appointments not kept although I still don't regard charging all comers as a realistic solution to that.

Probably the wrong thread for in-depth discussion on the matter, though.
Begs the question what you would. That was just one metric that is easy to calculate.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 3:23 pm
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I never mentioned PFI.

So who supplies the NHS, has it all been internal, who builds hospitals, are they all direct employees of the NHS?

Are drugs all developed and manufactured internally?
PFI builds hospitals and what a fiasco that has been, no they are not NHS employees..
The new mega Liverpool hospital being just the latest scandal..
Drugs are purchased not manufactured by the NHS, hence the scandal of patients in need being denied treatment because of the greed of the big drug companies.
Regular watchers or listeners to PMQ will know that this subject is frequently raised by Mps whose constituents are suffering as a result.

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Old Jun 5th 2019, 3:26 pm
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Yes there is - the fact that they are already paying for the NHS would mean they are now paying for two heathcares.

In my local surgery there was a sign saying that 32% of appointments were a no-show. This seems like it's higher than the average.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46732626


https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/reports...0-to-see-a-gp/

You can't educate these types of people - have you learned nothing from the Brexit referendum? - some people are not capable of making the right decisions.
Off someone dies not turn up and no time is therefore spent dealing with them how can that result in a cost to the practice..
Do the staff sit around doing nothing ?
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by thekingsfund
On the other hand, surely a nominal charge – £10 a visit
Some people really have no idea. £10 Nominal? That's at least a day's income for someone on benefits. Two or three days worth of family meals for those who can co that. Bus fares to work for a week.
And how much does it cost to administer? Hasn't it been shown before that it costs too much to collect to make it worthwhile? Record keeping, security considerations etc
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 4:45 pm
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Some people really have no idea. £10 Nominal? That's at least a day's income for someone on benefits. Two or three days worth of family meals for those who can co that. Bus fares to work for a week.
And how much does it cost to administer? Hasn't it been shown before that it costs too much to collect to make it worthwhile? Record keeping, security considerations etc
Just this costs the equivalent of 3,000 GP's, of which there is a shortage.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 4:47 pm
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Off someone dies not turn up and no time is therefore spent dealing with them how can that result in a cost to the practice..
Do the staff sit around doing nothing ?
For once I agree with you EMR (Faints!)
Used to work as a GP----and always grateful on the few occasions someone didn't turn up.
It is often impossible to keep to the allotted time for each patient ---so always behind time. A missed appt. means catching up with times, going to the toilet, eating a biscuit, telephoning a patient you are worried about, so many possibilities.


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Some people really have no idea. £10 Nominal? That's at least a day's income for someone on benefits. Two or three days worth of family meals for those who can co that. Bus fares to work for a week.
And how much does it cost to administer? Hasn't it been shown before that it costs too much to collect to make it worthwhile? Record keeping, security considerations etc
Agree with you. As it is many mothers bringing their children, and obviously ill themselves will assure the GP they are OK because they would not be able to afford a prescription.
Would GPs refuse to see a person because they had no money? Not NHS GPs.

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Old Jun 5th 2019, 5:05 pm
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Off someone dies not turn up and no time is therefore spent dealing with them how can that result in a cost to the practice..
Do the staff sit around doing nothing ?
It's amusing to watch our business expert sometimes.

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Old Jun 5th 2019, 5:11 pm
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Some people really have no idea. £10 Nominal? That's at least a day's income for someone on benefits. Two or three days worth of family meals for those who can co that. Bus fares to work for a week.
And how much does it cost to administer? Hasn't it been shown before that it costs too much to collect to make it worthwhile? Record keeping, security considerations etc
No one only gets £10/day bennies, hundreds of thousands get more in bennies than the UK average wage.

No, it doesn't cost that much to administer - flash your credit card at the hospital admin and that's it - heck, how do you think Tesco can sell an item for 40p at the corner shop?
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 5:14 pm
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Universal credit is about £320 a month for a single person over the age of 25.

Thats £10.32 a day.
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I see Creepy Joe has been caught plagiarising his Climate Change policy.
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Old Jun 5th 2019, 5:38 pm
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Universal credit is about £320 a month for a single person over the age of 25.

Thats £10.32 a day.
That ignores the rest of the bennies they will typically be getting - housing benefit etc etc.

Of course as the UK *needs* to import hundreds of thousands of migrants a year, there is no real excuse for anyone to be on unemployment bennies for long.
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