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Old Dec 6th 2021, 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Wages aren't low nor people "unskilled" because of some automatic process of supply within the US, though. A developed capitalist economy has many, many ways of controlling and manipulating the alleged "free" market. The US pool of low-cost labour extends to other countries, irrespective of who is living in whose countries. And if people are not being prepared by the education system for higher-paid work, that is also a choice being made. Schools being funded by property taxes, for example, has an immediate knock on effect in low-income areas. Nor is it an accident that there are millions of undocumented workers still working away in this country.

Really, there aren't "sides" in this discussion. It's a complicated web, and I would say that step one is absolutely to fairly invest and apply the world's riches to help the struggling countries develop well.
Well as in the example I gave it was simple- the migrants undercut the locals in price and the more migrants in the area more supply of workers, less pressure to increase real wages.

It is amazing to see such concentrations of wealth when many countries struggling- yet often enough through their own mismanagement and corruption especially concerning funds received from wealthier countries.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...es-2021-11-30/

​​Amid tearful goodbyes, Ana Paula Souza, her husband and their infant son set off for the United States, one of hundreds of families to depart the small Brazilian town of Alpercata in recent months.Nestled in the hills of southeastern Minas Gerais state, Alpercata has been sending its townspeople north for decades. But as locals grapple with a pandemic that has killed jobs, battered Brazil's currency and sparked double-digit inflation, a piecemeal migration from this poor, okra-farming area has become an exodus.

Important to remember that there many other migrants heading to the US.
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​​Amid tearful goodbyes, Ana Paula Souza, her husband and their infant son set off for the United States, one of hundreds of families to depart the small Brazilian town of Alpercata in recent months.Nestled in the hills of southeastern Minas Gerais state, Alpercata has been sending its townspeople north for decades. But as locals grapple with a pandemic that has killed jobs, battered Brazil's currency and sparked double-digit inflation, a piecemeal migration from this poor, okra-farming area has become an exodus.

Important to remember that there many other migrants heading to the US.
It's even more important to remember that if people hadn't migrated to what is now the US, Native Americans would still have their land. Also, other migrants made the US what it is today.

If migrants are so bad, when do you leave, because I suspect you're not wholly descended from any Native American tribes.
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Old Dec 7th 2021, 12:11 pm
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https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...es-2021-11-30/

​​Amid tearful goodbyes, Ana Paula Souza, her husband and their infant son set off for the United States, one of hundreds of families to depart the small Brazilian town of Alpercata in recent months.Nestled in the hills of southeastern Minas Gerais state, Alpercata has been sending its townspeople north for decades. But as locals grapple with a pandemic that has killed jobs, battered Brazil's currency and sparked double-digit inflation, a piecemeal migration from this poor, okra-farming area has become an exodus.

Important to remember that there many other migrants heading to the US.
One of the worlds biggest economies attracts economic migrants shocker. Me included, but it's OK, as some of the locals like to say, I'm not one of those ones though.
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Old Dec 7th 2021, 12:59 pm
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It's even more important to remember that if people hadn't migrated to what is now the US, Native Americans would still have their land. Also, other migrants made the US what it is today.

If migrants are so bad, when do you leave, because I suspect you're not wholly descended from any Native American tribes.
Yet the situation of the US economy in the 19th century or early 20th century much different, hence I am unsure how relevant "other migrants made the US what it is today".is. A points system to bring in those with the skills needed in the 21st century, and make it easier for those to come would be more logical.
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Yet the situation of the US economy in the 19th century or early 20th century much different, hence I am unsure how relevant "other migrants made the US what it is today".is. A points system to bring in those with the skills needed in the 21st century, and make it easier for those to come would be more logical.
I suspect that "the skills needed" are those with low qualifications. I hesitate to say "low skills" because that carries all sort of connotations. But what is being encouraged by both business and government is a strong supply of low-cost labour, both inside the country and out. Which is to say, the "system" is functioning as intended. Not ethically, note, or for the best for society, just as intended.
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The point is that for some reason Biden focuses on Central America and forgets there is a big world out there with very similar issues.
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Pragmatism.
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A points system to bring in those with the skills needed in the 21st century, and make it easier for those to come would be more logical.
Did some right-wing website do an article on this or are conservatives all coming to the same conclusion about it this week?
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I suspect that "the skills needed" are those with low qualifications. I hesitate to say "low skills" because that carries all sort of connotations. But what is being encouraged by both business and government is a strong supply of low-cost labour, both inside the country and out. Which is to say, the "system" is functioning as intended. Not ethically, note, or for the best for society, just as intended.
Given that the populations of many industrialised countries are getting older, and it seems from a quick Google search that these jobs aren't being filled fast enough by natives of those countries, low-qualifications immigration is going to be needed for a long time in care and other sectors.

Those kinds of workers tend to lose out in points-based immigration policies.
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Now quite why he is doing this is unclear

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Biden accused of ‘doubling down’ on Trump move to strip US immigration judges of union rights https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...administration
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Given that the populations of many industrialised countries are getting older, and it seems from a quick Google search that these jobs aren't being filled fast enough by natives of those countries, low-qualifications immigration is going to be needed for a long time in care and other sectors.

Those kinds of workers tend to lose out in points-based immigration policies.
Low-qualifications work is wanted. Not sure if it's needed (ie, surely an economy could function with good wages for all), but it's wanted to keep the system we have functioning as intended. People who suggest that undocumented immigration is not wanted are naive. Of course it's wanted. And it is "controlled", by policies that are 'defective' enough to allow a certain number in and to remain without the security of rights. It isn't a conspiracy, it's a system that works for capitalist countries and always has.
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Low-qualifications work is wanted. Not sure if it's needed (ie, surely an economy could function with good wages for all), but it's wanted to keep the system we have functioning as intended. People who suggest that undocumented immigration is not wanted are naive. Of course it's wanted. And it is "controlled", by policies that are 'defective' enough to allow a certain number in and to remain without the security of rights. It isn't a conspiracy, it's a system that works for capitalist countries and always has.
Well no, certainly was not a feature when I was growing up and relatively recent in the US.
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Old Dec 7th 2021, 4:27 pm
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Well no, certainly was not a feature when I was growing up and relatively recent in the US.
I'm not sure how you define "relatively recent" but it was considered a big enough issue 40 years ago that the '86 Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986

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I was thinking further back and was more focused on Capitalist Countries than just the US.
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