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Post EU Referendum...Part II

Old Aug 29th 2018, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Will there be an additional £2B cost due to the early purchase of medicines - yes or no?

These are the sorts of "facts" on the remainiac hymn sheet.
Well that depends a bit on whether the logic-free Remainiac Guardian got this bit, which you previously quoted, right
which would presumably then be run down over future months
It is a presumption, after all. Are you happy in general to back The G up on its presumptions?

Because if the stocks aren't run down over future months but rather deemed to be necessary in the reintroduced frictionful trade arrangements, it's not a temporary cost
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Will there be an additional £2B cost due to the early purchase of medicines - yes or no?

These are the sorts of "facts" on the remainiac hymn sheet.
Not the remain camp but the Guardian no different from the Torygraph spreading fear among pensioners .
Dismiss one, dismiss them all..
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 1:44 pm
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80s come to my mind as well. He seems to still buy into the rational homo economicus. That's is an outdated picture of humans. Even science now recognises that we are not rational and that emotions are in fact very important to our decision making. And sympathy with others and deep and meaningful connections with others is much more important to mental health and happiness than lots of money
Makes me think of that guy in Futurama who froze himself in the 80s because he had boneitis.
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 2:08 pm
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Makes me think of that guy in Futurama who froze himself in the 80s because he had boneitis.
At least we sandwich making carbon units have time to watch Futurama. i like that show. Shame they stopped it.
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 2:10 pm
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Well that depends a bit on whether the logic-free Remainiac Guardian got this bit, which you previously quoted, right

It is a presumption, after all. Are you happy in general to back The G up on its presumptions?

Because if the stocks aren't run down over future months but rather deemed to be necessary in the reintroduced frictionful trade arrangements, it's not a temporary cost
You think that frictionful trade will entail EU-sourced medicines sitting for 6 weeks at the docks? Forever onwards? (and noting that this still would not be a "cost" but a cashflow issue - i.e. the medicines did not get £2B more expensive due to this).

The Guardian's title and main text is all project fear, they tuck the little bit about "presuming a run-down" away so they can pretend to show balance - it's the Fox News of the remainiac fringe and using the same sort of tactics.

It's the sort of disingenuous "£2 Billion"! number that brexiters used on the side of a bus during the referendum, yet some of us can see it and those who are remainiacs are somehow blind to this number, just like their extreme brexiters were before them, totally biased to the point of idiocy.
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 2:13 pm
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You think that frictionful trade will entail EU-sourced medicines sitting for 6 weeks at the docks? Forever onwards? (and noting that this still would not be a "cost" but a cashflow issue - i.e. the medicines did not get £2B more expensive due to this).

The Guardian's title and main text is all project fear, they tuck the little bit about "presuming a run-down" away so they can pretend to show balance - it's the Fox News of the remainiac fringe and using the same sort of tactics.

It's the sort of disingenuous "£2 Billion"! number that brexiters used on the side of a bus during the referendum, yet some of us can see it and those who are remainiacs are somehow blind to this number, just like their extreme brexiters were before them, totally biased to the point of idiocy.
The most influential UK papers during the Brexit campaign and since are those that focussed on " project fear " regarding immigration.
Do you condemn them as well ?.
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Not the remain camp but the Guardian no different from the Torygraph spreading fear among pensioners .
Dismiss one, dismiss them all..
The Guardian is quoting the remainiac "Best for Britain" group who are trying to get a second referendum by pushing untruths.
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The most influential UK papers during the Brexit campaign and since are those that focussed on " project fear " regarding immigration.
Do you condemn them as well ?.
Yes, depending upon what they are saying.

If it's "Muslim European ate my hamster" then obviously, if it's an article on the huge net immigration impacting housing and wages, then possibly no - it's perfectly possible to have normal sensible discourse over the negatives of high net immigration.

You seem to have avoided condemning this blatant £2B mistruth - I'm sure that's an oversight.
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At least we sandwich making carbon units have time to watch Futurama. i like that show. Shame they stopped it.
Ah, good point. Two good points, really.
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Old Aug 29th 2018, 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Yes, depending upon what they are saying.

If it's "Muslim European ate my hamster" then obviously, if it's an article on the huge net immigration impacting housing and wages, then possibly no - it's perfectly possible to have normal sensible discourse over the negatives of high net immigration.

You seem to have avoided condemning this blatant £2B mistruth - I'm sure that's an oversight.
Unlike you I Do not take all newspaper headlines seriously or have a complex about the Guardian..
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The cost of the drugs may well be 2billion , true or false,.

You seem unable to differentiate between opinion and rhetoric. .
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The article shows the calculation, they have taken 6 weeks of total medicine expenditure and said that that is an extra cost.

It isn't an extra cost, it is an earlier cost which will be subsequently recouped. It is deliberately conflated with being an extra cost as part of the fake news agenda of the remainiac fringe.

The small form factor and high cost of medicines means that extra storage costs will be minimal - as I pointed-out there is surplus storage capacity in the users home, the pharmacy/hospital and at the distribution center - this is not £2B of spuds that would take up huge volumes of space.
My medicine cabinet doesn't have room for additional space. And it would have to pass through the distribution centres.

Yes, the £2B is an earlier cost, but it still has to be budgeted now instead of down the line. Does your company have a spare £2B laying around?
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Does your company have a spare £2B laying around?
In his trouser pockets.
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In his trouser pockets.
I said Billion, not inches.
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I said Billion, not inches.
Funnily enough I kept reading that figure as £28 and thinking a B or M had just been missed and then subsequent posts just did the same.

It was only your post that I saw it was 2B. Or not 2B.
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
My medicine cabinet doesn't have room for additional space. And it would have to pass through the distribution centres.

Yes, the £2B is an earlier cost, but it still has to be budgeted now instead of down the line. Does your company have a spare £2B laying around?
The "no-deal planning budget" is apparently £3B in total.
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