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Old Dec 1st 2020, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
I was talking in more general terms of your dismissive attitude to the difficulties people might encounter in getting issued a visa, not specifically the circumstance which provoked the latest invocation.

And in terms of visitor visas, a visa for an extension of stay might not necessarily come down to simply applying for it and paying a fee for the visa itself. There could be requirements which could add significantly to costs or feasibility, besides the possibility of "I want a longer holiday" possibly not cutting the mustard as a valid reason for its issuance. So yes, qualification for visa on top of other issues.

Not that my heart is bleeding too profusely for people in the fortunate position of being able to contemplate such a thing, you understand. There are far worse things in prospect as a result of this con-trick than a few of the better-off having to stick to 90 days in 180 limits on their leisure excursions into Europe.
Was not being "dismissive"----I know firsthand the difficulties. However in the general scheme of life problems which people face it is not that much of a stress.

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That's another pet peeve of mine as well as the portrayal of traffic wardens and other officials or those acting in official capacity as little hitlers.

I don't understand how people say it about others doing their jobs. Unless, of course, they routinely work in such a way that would not find favour from their own employers
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That's another pet peeve of mine as well as the portrayal of traffic wardens and other officials or those acting in official capacity as little hitlers.

I don't understand how people say it about others doing their jobs. Unless, of course, they routinely work in such a way that would not find favour from their own employers
There is a difference in doing a job and being deliberately unhelpful or difficult. My above reference was a joke describing a specific happening! However there was no need to slam down a time closure window when a person was in the actual process of handing money through (he had his arm raised as in a salute---he was elderly--and the window was high). (They at that time only accepted cash!).
(The laughter also eased the tension of a time not long after post assassination the PM and there was a police presence--- (the police officers----had a table and chairs and were playing cards!)



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My visa experience started in the 1980s---when used to get 5yr visas----visa centres kept changing, one didn't have chairs---those of us in the queue sat on the floor! Two lots of paper to fill in---three queues (one for payment)----- (One occasion a window was slammed shut just as a Sikh gentleman raised his arm to pay----Hail H. he shouted---we all laughed.
One occasion went in, in sun, came out to deep snow!

However just one day of travel and effort (and money) every five years. When finally decided to get OCI (life time entry) took six months along with affidavits etc.

So don't tell me visas are that much of a problem!
I'm sure that you do have experience in applying for an Indian via, but a Schenghan visa is different. Totally different. Anyone from a non 'visa free' country can apply for a Schenghan visitor's visa. It is valid 90/180 days and usually lasts 1 year for first time applicants. It is fairly easy to obtain. However, UK citizens with homes in the Schenghan area cannot apply for a Schenghan visa as these are not available to citizens of visa free countries. . The limit for them is also 90/180 days. A visa that extends this doesn't exist. The only option would be a long term resident's visa. Expensive, difficult and a lengthy process, but not impossible to obtain. This, whoever, would usually mean becoming a tax resident.
All 2nd home owners can hope for is the introduction of a visa by individual countries specifically for UK citizens because, while the EU could change it's rules and allow 90 days back to back in a year, I can't see that happening.
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Usually----' them' ---you can't' have that because we need this document------'me'- "I've got it!"----Them---Can't do it needs to be signed by the commissioner ---'me' "I've just seen him walking in"! !
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I'm sure that you do have experience in applying for an Indian via, but a Schenghan visa is different. Totally different. Anyone from a non 'visa free' country can apply for a Schenghan visitor's visa. It is valid 90/180 days and usually lasts 1 year for first time applicants. It is fairly easy to obtain. However, UK citizens with homes in the Schenghan area cannot apply for a Schenghan visa as these are not available to citizens of visa free countries. . The limit for them is also 90/180 days. A visa that extends this doesn't exist. The only option would be a long term resident's visa. Expensive, difficult and a lengthy process, but not impossible to obtain. This, whoever, would usually mean becoming a tax resident.
All 2nd home owners can hope for is the introduction of a visa by individual countries specifically for UK citizens because, while the EU could change it's rules and allow 90 days back to back in a year, I can't see that happening.
No it is not different we only can get extended visas and OCI (life-time) because OH previous Indian citizen I get them as a spouse ----on divorce I would be ---out of the country!---
There has been improvement for ordinary holiday visitors (on-line e-visas), however also second home owners in recent years can now get overall longer but generally more difficult and even then returning to UK to renew every 6 months.
Ordinary British have the same restrictions that you have discussed.
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Well, laughing en masse because someone thought they were bing witty by making Hitler comments to a civil servant doing their job...I think that deserves calling out.
Apparently this petty civil servant was doing what civil servants do, being as officious and objectionable to the client as the the job allows, and I repeat the point I made originally, Bipat was describing events, no opinion, no joke, simple fact.
But perhaps it's the fact you object to, perhaps you'd approve of alternative facts, or perhaps you'd rather civil servants were placed on a pedestal above us simple supplicants.
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Apparently this petty civil servant was doing what civil servants do, being as officious and objectionable to the client as the the job allows, and I repeat the point I made originally, Bipat was describing events, no opinion, no joke, simple fact.
But perhaps it's the fact you object to, perhaps you'd approve of alternative facts, or perhaps you'd rather civil servants were placed on a pedestal above us simple supplicants.
(Actually as I posted above-- they are -not civil servants---but still people being 'petty'.)
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(Actually as I posted above-- they are -not civil servants---but still people being 'petty'.)
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Perhaps not at the present, but hopeful... and learning on the job.
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That's another pet peeve of mine as well as the portrayal of traffic wardens and other officials or those acting in official capacity as little hitlers.

I don't understand how people say it about others doing their jobs. Unless, of course, they routinely work in such a way that would not find favour from their own employers
They're called Little Hitler's because that's who they are. Inadequates with a deep desire to put on a uniform and tell people what to do. The 3rd Reich was full of them even as far as a group made up of Bus Conductors deployed to quell the Prussian uprising in '43. Ausparkenhilfenersatz Kommando I believe they were called.

They're named well.
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Perhaps not at the present, but hopeful... and learning on the job.
No--apologies ---they are nothing to do with civil service, they are employees of VFS global. See my post 23775.
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No it is not different we only can get extended visas and OCI (life-time) because OH previous Indian citizen I get them as a spouse ----on divorce I would be ---out of the country!---
There has been improvement for ordinary holiday visitors (on-line e-visas), however also second home owners in recent years can now get overall longer but generally more difficult and even then returning to UK to renew every 6 months.
Ordinary British have the same restrictions that you have discussed.
I think, in this post and the others of yours preceding it, we've finally reached an agreement that says you continually repeating "What's so difficult about getting a visa?" is shown up beyond any doubt as being trite nonsense even to you.

Fantastic.

Took a while but we got there in the end.
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That's another pet peeve of mine as well as the portrayal of traffic wardens and other officials or those acting in official capacity as little hitlers.

I don't understand how people say it about others doing their jobs. Unless, of course, they routinely work in such a way that would not find favour from their own employers
Working in Security, I've been called a Jobsworth more than a few times, usually at events where I'm on specific gates or doors with limited access. And calling me that doesn't change the fact that they're not getting backstage unless they've got the correct pass unless the event organiser and my manager have agreed exceptions that apply to the person. For which I have a regularly-updated list. And no sir, I am not letting you look at the list to see if your 'friend' is on it.

If you're supposed to be backstage and don't have the right pass, you'll have a contact number to call to get someone to bring you a pass out. No sir, I will not give you their phone number. Oh, you're with the band, your manager is already backstage, phone them. But there are exceptions in the rules.

At one gig, we had two gentlemen turn up and one said he'd driven two hours to get here but had left his pass at home. He said he could get a new pass if he got backstage, but no-one was answering their phones. I asked the gentleman to wait for a sec while I checked the other guy's pass. Said to second guy, "do you know the other guy?"
"Yes, we're together.".
"Great, you've got the right pass,and it allows you to escort someone without a pass backstage. Are you willing to escort this gentleman?"
"I am."
Ten minutes later, first comes back with new pass, and says to stick my head in the door to backstage anytime I want food or a drink. Turns out they're the guitarists for Paolo Nutini, who also turns out to be a very nice guy. I love my job.....


Originally Posted by 37100 View Post
I'm sure that you do have experience in applying for an Indian via, but a Schenghan visa is different. Totally different. Anyone from a non 'visa free' country can apply for a Schenghan visitor's visa. It is valid 90/180 days and usually lasts 1 year for first time applicants. It is fairly easy to obtain. However, UK citizens with homes in the Schenghan area cannot apply for a Schenghan visa as these are not available to citizens of visa free countries. . The limit for them is also 90/180 days. A visa that extends this doesn't exist. The only option would be a long term resident's visa. Expensive, difficult and a lengthy process, but not impossible to obtain. This, whoever, would usually mean becoming a tax resident.
All 2nd home owners can hope for is the introduction of a visa by individual countries specifically for UK citizens because, while the EU could change it's rules and allow 90 days back to back in a year, I can't see that happening.
Yup, the UK outsources it's visa services abroad, but EU countries tend to do things in-house....

And the EU rules have always been there for third-country nations (TCNs), and the UK is about to become a third-country in 30 days. It's not a surprise to Remainers, we literally knew what we were voting for. We also knew what the rules would be on leaving with no deal.
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Apparently this petty civil servant was doing what civil servants do, being as officious and objectionable to the client as the the job allows, and I repeat the point I made originally, Bipat was describing events, no opinion, no joke, simple fact.
But perhaps it's the fact you object to, perhaps you'd approve of alternative facts, or perhaps you'd rather civil servants were placed on a pedestal above us simple supplicants.
No, I just oppose people acting in an official capacity being portrayed as Hitler types. It's quite simple.

When it's the end of your shift for example and someone says "can I just ask/do/check something...it won't take long" it never is something short and likely someone else says can they just ask something too and before you know it you've missed your bus home or your break is almost over. Seen it all before and then you get jobsworth thrown at you.
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No, I just oppose people acting in an official capacity being portrayed as Hitler types. It's quite simple.
When it's the end of your shift for example and someone says "can I just ask/do/check something...it won't take long" it never is something short and likely someone else says can they just ask something too and before you know it you've missed your bus home or your break is almost over. Seen it all before and then you get jobsworth thrown at you.
We've all been subject to the needs of the job at the end of the day or during a break. In the real world you do what needs to be done. In most manufacturing companies that I dealt with the workforce had been honed to reduce waste and if you were needed there probably wasn't anyone else available with the skills or knowledge you had. Unlike the civil service the requirement to remain profitable outweighs the inevitability of job loss when the company fails.
But the Hitler jibe, well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck, we all remember the Stamford Experiment don't we?
Give someone a little authority and they'll exploit it,and who's able to exploit it most? Those representing that authority.
In another thread I remarked about how easy it had been for Thatcher to recruit the police to act illegally against members of the public during the miner's strike.
I've been on the wrong end of crass authority when I was young enough to be intimidated, it wasn't justified then but perhaps I'd been intruding on someone's break.

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