Post EU Referendum...Part II
Nov 19th 2020, 4:44 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by BristolUK
Eh?
You demanded answers to rhetorical questions?
You demanded answers to rhetorical questions?
Nov 19th 2020, 4:49 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Watchpost
Yes it does (statistically and in this case). Those "just" eight countries account for exactly two-thirds (67%) of the EU population. A comfortable majority.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, if you look at the 2018 survey produced by Pew Research, you will see that statistically, satisfaction with the EU in Hungary was (in 2018) not wildly different from the average for the EU, and in Poland in fact was among the best in the bloc, perhaps even the best.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...-its-citizens/It is now 2020
Why not Slovenia, Portugal and Luxembourg? They weren't included either.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, if you look at the 2018 survey produced by Pew Research, you will see that statistically, satisfaction with the EU in Hungary was (in 2018) not wildly different from the average for the EU, and in Poland in fact was among the best in the bloc, perhaps even the best.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...-its-citizens/It is now 2020
Why not Slovenia, Portugal and Luxembourg? They weren't included either.
Nov 19th 2020, 4:54 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Remainers are still whinging about the referendum result, that is the crux of the posts. The majority of individual countries can only be ascertained by holding a referendum. get over it, Britain is out, thank God!!!
Nov 19th 2020, 5:11 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by KJMW
Remainers are still whinging about the referendum result, that is the crux of the posts. The majority of individual countries can only be ascertained by holding a referendum. get over it, Britain is out, thank God!!!
Nov 19th 2020, 5:14 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
I didn't 'demand answers'---just pointed out that my mode of questioning meant I knew the answers!
Here's the badgering for answers.
Originally Posted by Bipat
You didn't answer two of my questions!
Originally Posted by Bipat
I am not confused. I asked you two questions that anyone could answer! You didn't reply or explain your view!
Originally Posted by Bipat
You didn't reply when I asked which subjects were you referring to when you said I know very little.
Originally Posted by Bipat
(You still have not replied to your accusation of my lack of knowledge on other topics discussed.)
Nov 19th 2020, 5:20 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by KJMW
Remainers are still whinging about the referendum result, that is the crux of the posts. The majority of individual countries can only be ascertained by holding a referendum. get over it, Britain is out, thank God!!!
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Have you two not noticed that the conversation in this thread is about matters now, as in since the UK has left? Those discussing the situation since the UK left have very obviously moved on. It seems that you two are stuck in the "still whinging about the result" dialogue. Perhaps it is you that should move on?
Nov 19th 2020, 5:21 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
I mentioned Hungary and Poland as they are causing a crisis in the EU at this moment in time. (It is now 2020).
Nov 19th 2020, 5:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Watchpost
I fully realise why you mentioned Hungary and Poland, and that it's 2020. It still doesn't make up for your logic deficit.
You do not get the opinions of any 'respondents' living in the 19 other countries. Particularly of those that disagree with present EU policies.
The member countries of the EU are individual sovereign nations --it is not a mass of one homogenous population of people.
Nov 19th 2020, 5:48 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
Yes--- but that is really suggesting that those eight countries with larger populations are 'in charge' of the other 19 countries--- those smaller countries, the majority of member sovereign countries have 'no real say' ---which is not the way the EU 'claims to work' and in fact doesn't ----which goes back to the irrelevance of this 'poll'!
Nov 19th 2020, 5:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
I mentioned Hungary and Poland as they are causing a crisis in the EU at this moment in time. (It is now 2020).
Their representatives in one of the institutions are, over one specific issue, for their own particular ends.
That doesn't mean that their populations would necessarily respond more negatively than other member states when surveyed on more general matters.
Nov 19th 2020, 6:02 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Bipat
Why 95% sure? Why not 90% or 80% sure? Was the microcosm large enough? By your rationale we need never bother with the expense of elections!
You might ask why out of 27 countries were only eight chosen? Would the result have been the same if Poland, Hungary, Greece had been included?
The former two countries causing a crisis for the EU at the moment!
You might ask why out of 27 countries were only eight chosen? Would the result have been the same if Poland, Hungary, Greece had been included?
The former two countries causing a crisis for the EU at the moment!
Originally Posted by KJMW
Remainers are still whinging about the referendum result, that is the crux of the posts. The majority of individual countries can only be ascertained by holding a referendum. get over it, Britain is out, thank God!!!
Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Originally Posted by Bipat
The logic is -----if you carry out a poll in 8 out of 27 EU countries, you get a 'snapshot' as OP described it, of the opinions---- of those who responded ---in 8 countries.
You do not get the opinions of any 'respondents' living in the 19 other countries. Particularly of those that disagree with present EU policies.
You do not get the opinions of any 'respondents' living in the 19 other countries. Particularly of those that disagree with present EU policies.
The member countries of the EU are individual sovereign nations --it is not a mass of one homogenous population of people.
Nov 19th 2020, 6:18 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by BristolUK
Well perhaps badgered for answers then. You were far from just pointing out you knew the answers.
Here's the badgering for answers.
Here's the badgering for answers.
Nov 19th 2020, 6:31 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
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1) Leavers were happy enough with the results of a UK Government poll on EU membership where only 52% expressed the majority opinion. In the Pew Research poll, the countries surveyed have a combined 67% of the population of the EU. The remaining 33% wouldn't change the result even if their answers were 100% in the opposite direction.
2) The inhabitants of those other 19 countries are statistically a minority not big enough to change the result.
3) Who knew that EU member states are sovereign? I thought that's why we had to leave the EU.... So Leave campaigners lied then, did they?
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1) Are you referring to the referendum? There were not a fixed number of 'respondents' as in a 'poll'. Is that how you view general Elections? As 'polls'?
2) So you agree that the 'poll' implies that the views of the inhabitants of the other 18 countries are irrelevant? Is that how you think the EU should function?
3) I presume they want to think of themselves as 'sovereign'---even if they have lost some of their autonomy in law making!
1) Leavers were happy enough with the results of a UK Government poll on EU membership where only 52% expressed the majority opinion. In the Pew Research poll, the countries surveyed have a combined 67% of the population of the EU. The remaining 33% wouldn't change the result even if their answers were 100% in the opposite direction.
2) The inhabitants of those other 19 countries are statistically a minority not big enough to change the result.
3) Who knew that EU member states are sovereign? I thought that's why we had to leave the EU.... So Leave campaigners lied then, did they?
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1) Are you referring to the referendum? There were not a fixed number of 'respondents' as in a 'poll'. Is that how you view general Elections? As 'polls'?
2) So you agree that the 'poll' implies that the views of the inhabitants of the other 18 countries are irrelevant? Is that how you think the EU should function?
3) I presume they want to think of themselves as 'sovereign'---even if they have lost some of their autonomy in law making!
Nov 19th 2020, 6:39 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by BristolUK
Eh?
You demanded answers to rhetorical questions?
You demanded answers to rhetorical questions?
