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Old Oct 3rd 2018, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
You state that they will buy better EU products and try and relate it to brexit - crazy stuff.

Yes, I do know what non-tariff barriers are - why don't you try and explain some examples and how they might work, noting our 100% compliance with EU rules as a starting point.

Having a small clearing office in the EU is not the same as the might of London.
That's not what I stated, I stated they would be able to buy better products cheaper. British products aren't exactly known for their high standards of quality. The key point was that domestically produced products will be less expensive, which is irrefutably true.

Look, the UK is just centimeters from crashing out of the EU. That means that all global UK trading agreements will cease to exist on an instant. It will take decades to restore them. In the mean time, anyone selling abroad to anywhere will suffer. Particularly the many businesses that depend on the unfettered trade they currently enjoy.

Including "just in time" deliveries of parts, goods, supplies, machinery, food, etc. This is where non-tariff barriers will wreak the most havoc. And again, it may take at least a decade to sort it. I doubt businesses will wait that long. As referred to earlier, the automakers are already preparing their moves. It's one thing to move an office. It's quite another to move a manufacturing plant. It will take a few years, that is, provided they just don't shut it down immediately, such as Toyota plans to do, at least temporarily, to wait out any potential impending reversal. Of some sort.

The reason why the financial services businesses have "established presence" on the continent is merely a "contingency plan", in the event the UK crashes out, which appears likely now. In that event, they've already established the framework and infrastructure to continue their business uninterrupted while incrementally shifting it outside the UK. London is very likely to take a big hit. And the UK as a whole. Not just in numbers of jobs, but tax revenues too. Those billions in tax revenues won't be paid in the UK anymore. Bye bye.

For Christ's sake, you claim to be a businessman. If you can't see this coming, then I'd seriously doubt you're a successful one.

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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Well, it isn't just the EU. Virtually any prospective "trading partner" will have a few rather fundamental issues with that highly unlikely scenario For example, what would US pharmaceutical producers think about the prospect of totally free trade" with a country that has "totally free trade" with say, India or China, both known for knockoffs of US innovations? And they can freely sell those products in the US?

This is just one small, simplified example. There's got to be a few thousand more similar interests and complexities associated with any such agreements. That's why these agreements normally require many years of negotiations. There are a lot of stakeholders. They all want their piece of it. I really have a difficult time believing the Brexit government is that ignorant. But look at the behavior so far. It certainly hasn't exhibited much understanding of what it's doing.
What "knockoffs" by India of "US innovations" are you thinking of?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/56748152.cms

Regarding drugs it was the US that lost the Court case over trying to patent Indian long used remedies.

PS --transfer the post to the other thread if too ' foreign'.

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Default Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Well, it isn't just the EU. Virtually any prospective "trading partner" will have a few rather fundamental issues with that highly unlikely scenario For example, what would US pharmaceutical producers think about the prospect of totally free trade" with a country that has "totally free trade" with say, India or China, both known for knockoffs of US innovations? And they can freely sell those products in the US?

This is just one small, simplified example. There's got to be a few thousand more similar interests and complexities associated with any such agreements. That's why these agreements normally require many years of negotiations. There are a lot of stakeholders. They all want their piece of it. I really have a difficult time believing the Brexit government is that ignorant. But look at the behavior so far. It certainly hasn't exhibited much understanding of what it's doing.
You should know better than refering to the '' I '' word
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Old Oct 3rd 2018, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
What "knockoffs" by India of "US innovations" are you thinking of?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/56748152.cms

Regarding drugs it was the US that lost the Court case over trying to patent Indian long used remedies.

PS --transfer the post to the other thread if too ' foreign'.
Nothing to do with the issues over counterfeit and dodgy drugs manufactured in India, ,..
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Nothing to do with the issues over counterfeit and dodgy drugs manufactured in India, ,..
You are correct the post presumably had nothing to do with that.
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
What "knockoffs" by India of "US innovations" are you thinking of?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/56748152.cms

Regarding drugs it was the US that lost the Court case over trying to patent Indian long used remedies.

PS --transfer the post to the other thread if too ' foreign'.
oh, Christ. Just an example to illustrate how different stakeholders issues will be at play in any such agreements. It's not a doddle.

India is really great. Really nice lot. You can go back to sleep now.
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Old Oct 3rd 2018, 6:13 pm
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That's not what I stated, I stated they would be able to buy better products cheaper. British products aren't exactly known for their high standards of quality. The key point was that domestically produced products will be less expensive, which is irrefutably true.
"Better" products has nothing to do with Brexit. Less expensive is untrue as I've already explained to you that tariffs etc will be less than the FX gain.

Look, the UK is just centimeters from crashing out of the EU. That means that all global UK trading agreements will cease to exist on an instant. It will take decades to restore them. In the mean time, anyone selling abroad to anywhere will suffer. Particularly the many businesses that depend on the unfettered trade they currently enjoy.
"Global" trading agreements with the USA, China, etc?

Including "just in time" deliveries of parts, goods, supplies, machinery, food, etc. This is where non-tariff barriers will wreak the most havoc. And again, it may take at least a decade to sort it. I doubt businesses will wait that long. As referred to earlier, the automakers are already preparing their moves. It's one thing to move an office. It's quite another to move a manufacturing plant. It will take a few years, that is, provided they just don't shut it down immediately, such as Toyota plans to do, at least temporarily, to wait out any potential impending reversal. Of some sort.
JIT will adjust to take into account any changes in transport patterns. Auto makers are not planning to move out of the UK - that is hyperbole and extrapolation by remainiacs.

The reason why the financial services businesses have "established presence" on the continent is merely a "contingency plan", in the event the UK crashes out, which appears likely now. In that event, they've already established the framework and infrastructure to continue their business uninterrupted while incrementally shifting it outside the UK. London is very likely to take a big hit. And the UK as a whole. Not just in numbers of jobs, but tax revenues too. Those billions in tax revenues won't be paid in the UK anymore. Bye bye.
The London-based staff will just clear the trades through the EU office, like they do in the US.

For Christ's sake, you claim to be a businessman. If you can't see this coming, then I'd seriously doubt you're a successful one.
Back to the ad-hom as usual.
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Old Oct 3rd 2018, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
oh, Christ. Just an example to illustrate how different stakeholders issues will be at play in any such agreements. It's not a doddle.

India is really great. Really nice lot. You can go back to sleep now.
'Really great' ---just like Mallorca which you constantly defend against other posters ignorant 'inaccuracy!!
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You are correct the post presumably had nothing to do with that.
No your totally irrelevant reference to turmeric.
A naturally occurring substance, not counterfeit or a dodgy drug.
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No your totally irrelevant reference to turmeric.
A naturally occurring substance, not counterfeit or a dodgy drug.
What are you talking about???? The post of Ami- that I replied to was about "knocking off" of "US innovations". I put a link regarding 'innovation'.
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Countries often have more than one FTA - the EU has several for instance.
Since when did the EU become a country?

Yes, the EU has many FTAs. The UK is about to find out how much they're worth.....
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I understand politicalese , I do not take things literally which as a Corbyn supporter you must do otherwise you would not have been taken in.
There was little in Mays speech I agreed with apart from her comparisons with past Labour leader's and the intolerance shown by an increasing left wing Labour to its moderates..
Were anti Corbyn Labour Mps really given protection at the conference ..
What's that got to do with your having it pointed out to you that you embellished the MAC report with things it didn't contain in your posts in order that you could once again try to pass off your opinions as fact?

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"Better" products has nothing to do with Brexit. Less expensive is untrue as I've already explained to you that tariffs etc will be less than the FX gain.
You hope. Even then, at the expensive of dramatically higher inflation.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
"Global" trading agreements with the USA, China, etc?
Any trade agreements the UK currently enjoys will be no longer be in force.

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JIT will adjust to take into account any changes in transport patterns. Auto makers are not planning to move out of the UK - that is hyperbole and extrapolation by remainiacs.
Somehow, I don't think business will take it so casually. The automakers sure aren't. Aerospace isn't. Suppliers to them aren't. You do realise they'll have to spend billions to recover from this mess? Wouldn't it be easier to just move to a jurisdiction that's more trade friendly?

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T​​​​​​he London-based staff will just clear the trades through the EU office, like they do in the US.
Why? What would be the attraction to conduct their operations in the UK? They're not doing much business there. And it won't be a particularly nice place to do business.

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Back to the ad-hom as usual.
Anything you don't want to hear is "ad-hom". I don't think it means what you think it means.

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Since when did the EU become a country?
Grow up.

I'm looking into the future

Yes, the EU has many FTAs. The UK is about to find out how much they're worth.....
Which disproves the point I was commenting upon about how the UK couldn't have FTAs with others if it had one with the EU.
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What's that got to do with your having it pointed out to you that you embellished the MAC report with things it didn't contain in your posts in order that you could once again try to pass off your opinions as fact?

And you've been in amongst the arse-cheeks again by the looks of it
Given that you apparently listened or watched none of the analysis on the day.
Interviews with the authors etc, your opinions have little value..
You are like the person who lives in the dark, denies reports from the neighbours that it is sunnyboutside because he cannot be bothered to open the curtains..
Why Don,t you try and find a podcast if it exists on R5 or the Daily politics prog off that day.
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