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Post EU Referendum...Part II

Old Jun 2nd 2020, 11:06 am
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Evidence increasing of Post Brexit good relationships with EU countries.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...voting-rights/
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Evidence increasing of Post Brexit good relationships with EU countries.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...voting-rights/
Good sensible stuff.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Evidence increasing of Post Brexit good relationships with EU countries.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-...voting-rights/
Where? All that article shows is that four EU member states have made bilateral agreements with the UK on their nationals voting in certain UK elections, and UK nationals voting in elections in those countries.

The UK government gains nothing and loses nothing from this, and could easily have done this EU-wide as part of the post-Brexit deal.
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Where? All that article shows is that four EU member states have made bilateral agreements with the UK on their nationals voting in certain UK elections, and UK nationals voting in elections in those countries.

The UK government gains nothing and loses nothing from this, and could easily have done this EU-wide as part of the post-Brexit deal.

Anything that isn't disaster is now being rebranded as good news that couldn't have happened without brexit.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 5:40 pm
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Where? All that article shows is that four EU member states have made bilateral agreements with the UK on their nationals voting in certain UK elections, and UK nationals voting in elections in those countries.

The UK government gains nothing and loses nothing from this, and could easily have done this EU-wide as part of the post-Brexit deal.
No, no, no, you don't understand.

One agreement bad. 28 * x agreements good. They're easier to renege on that way.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Anything that isn't disaster is now being rebranded as good news that couldn't have happened without brexit.
Remember the halcyon days when Brexit Britain would enjoy all the same benefits it enjoys as a member state, but without any parts it doesn't like?

For obvious reasons, nobody ever characterises it this way, but it's been a slow motion walk back ever since. Now the UK is faced with both the coronavirus recession, plus the politico-economic descent of a no deal Brexit on top. And all for no legitimate reason. Just to make some people feel better about imaginary threats.

Damn right they'll capitalise on anything remotely resembling "not damaging". It's such a rarity.

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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Where? All that article shows is that four EU member states have made bilateral agreements with the UK on their nationals voting in certain UK elections, and UK nationals voting in elections in those countries.

The UK government gains nothing and loses nothing from this, and could easily have done this EU-wide as part of the post-Brexit deal.
It shows that even in the face of EU intransigence, cakeism and cherry-picking, the UK can do sensible agreements with member states directly.
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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 6:54 pm
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Oath of hypocrisy again. With a bit of wanton ignorance thrown in for good measure.

And the UK wonders how it got into this mess.

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Old Jun 2nd 2020, 8:38 pm
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No, no, no, you don't understand.

One agreement bad. 28 * x agreements good. They're easier to renege on that way.
Well, that's 4 down....

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It shows that even in the face of EU intransigence, cakeism and cherry-picking, the UK can do sensible agreements with member states directly.
FIFY...

It shows that even in the face of UK intransigence, cakeism and cherry-picking, the UK can do sensible agreements with member states directly.
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Old Jun 4th 2020, 12:22 pm
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Looks to me like it's all in service to the company, which is to be expected. 3000 people in Spain are going to lose their jobs so that Nissan can, presumably, cut its costs by moving some of those functions to the UK. This is, of course, why worker solidarity across an international collaborative system matters. Pitting one country against another produces winners for the 1%.
And Brexit's still going to make things difficult for Nissan Sunderland.... Nissan: UK factory still under threat from no-deal Brexit

The UK's largest car manufacturing plant is "unsustainable" if the UK leaves the European Union without a trade deal, owner Nissan says.The Japanese company's global chief operating head told the BBC people had to understand the EU was the Sunderland factory's biggest customer.

Ashwani Gupta said that Nissan's commitment could not be maintained if there was not tariff-free EU access.

Nissan has invested billions of pounds in the plant, which has 7,000 workers.

His comments come despite the Sunderland site surviving this week's announcement on the Japanese giant's global restructuring programme.
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Old Jun 11th 2020, 8:39 am
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Old Jun 11th 2020, 7:23 pm
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I suspect Sunderland will be left as a plant manufacturing vehicles for the UK market only, for both Nissan and it's partner Renault...

Nissan has already decided to close the plant in Barcelona that already gave Nissan tariff-free acess to EU markets, so why is a deal for Nissan Sunderland to give Nissan tariff-free access to EU markets when Nissan Japan also already has the EU-Japan FTA giving the same to Japanese-built vehicles being shipped to EU countries...

What's the upside for Nissan keeping Sunderland knowing there's not likely to be any UK-EU deal?
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Old Jun 11th 2020, 7:31 pm
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That's been illustrated already. I provided a link. Can't be bothered to find it again.

It costs a lot of money to close a plant. Nissan now anticipates a no deal brexit, which means other auto manufacturers will leave the UK, since they all manufacture primarily for the EU market.

Nissan currently has a 5% market share in the UK. By keeping the Sunderland plant open, it can manufacture solely for the UK market, undercutting the cost of competitor's imports, and achieve up to 12% UK market share.

That beats spending millions to shut down a plant in which it has invested billions.
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Japan will certainly demand tariff free imports of Japanese automobiles and trucks to the UK in any trade deal. That would indeed put the fate of Sunderland back into question.

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Old Jun 11th 2020, 7:34 pm
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What's the upside for Nissan keeping Sunderland knowing there's not likely to be any UK-EU deal?
Just bouncing ideas, but maybe If no deal and tariffs result between the UK and the EU, maybe Nisson are banking on getting a larger share of the UK market? Or how about free trade agreements between the UK and other markets - increasing their market share in those countries?
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Old Jun 11th 2020, 7:47 pm
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Just bouncing ideas, but maybe If no deal and tariffs result between the UK and the EU, maybe Nisson are banking on getting a larger share of the UK market? Or how about free trade agreements between the UK and other markets - increasing their market share in those countries?
Renault are going to be the main focus in Europe and the EU now has a trade deal with Japan, so importing Nissan cars from the UK may not be so important. The company may have been offered something in their talks with the government which makes continued production in Sunderland a better prospect for home sales and export to other countries. However, a no-deal break is likely to disrupt supply chains and make it difficult to run Sunderland as an isolated manufacturing centre.
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