Post EU Referendum...Part II
May 2nd 2020, 2:12 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by paulry
Now the only burning question remaining is how big was the settlement that the Electoral Commission paid to good old Aaron? 
See, this is a bit like a story a year or so ago about "victory" for one of the leave groups because they "won" a court case. Winning that court case turned out to involve the upholding of the 'convictions' and fines for all but one offence for which the fine was slightly reduced.
Now, apparently Banks is completely vindicated even though his campaign was still fined a record amount for previous and different offences regarding overspending.
May 2nd 2020, 4:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by BristolUK
So there is no evidence that further offences were committed in a "specific matter" of where the money came from but the original offences (overspending) for which record fines were made are still offences.
See, this is a bit like a story a year or so ago about "victory" for one of the leave groups because they "won" a court case. Winning that court case turned out to involve the upholding of the 'convictions' and fines for all but one offence for which the fine was slightly reduced.
Now, apparently Banks is completely vindicated even though his campaign was still fined a record amount for previous and different offences regarding overspending.
See, this is a bit like a story a year or so ago about "victory" for one of the leave groups because they "won" a court case. Winning that court case turned out to involve the upholding of the 'convictions' and fines for all but one offence for which the fine was slightly reduced.
Now, apparently Banks is completely vindicated even though his campaign was still fined a record amount for previous and different offences regarding overspending.
May 2nd 2020, 7:28 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by paulry
Happy for you to take a few crumbs of comfort. Everyone's a winner, hey!
May 3rd 2020, 11:23 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
'They're deluded if they think Brits are going to work on the land': Farmer who took on 50 English workers to pick crops just has 7 left as union warns applicants need to be 'fit' and it's not like working in an office
A farmer who started the asparagus harvest with 50 British workers but now has just six left has blasted the Government as 'deluded' for not doing more to help.
Seasonal workers from Romania were due to fly out to help UK farmers pick their asparagus crop this weekend, but had their flights cancelled when their government enforced stricter lockdown measures.
It has left one East of England farmer, who wanted to remain anonymous, facing an 'absolute nightmare'.
Despite 50 furloughed British workers and students signing up to help at the farm, just seven remained as the asparagus harvest continued this weekend.
The anonymous farmer told MailOnline: 'The Government who think British people are going to work on the land are deluded. It's not successful employing British workers. It's not a success.'
Seasonal workers from Romania were due to fly out to help UK farmers pick their asparagus crop this weekend, but had their flights cancelled when their government enforced stricter lockdown measures.
It has left one East of England farmer, who wanted to remain anonymous, facing an 'absolute nightmare'.
Despite 50 furloughed British workers and students signing up to help at the farm, just seven remained as the asparagus harvest continued this weekend.
The anonymous farmer told MailOnline: 'The Government who think British people are going to work on the land are deluded. It's not successful employing British workers. It's not a success.'
May 28th 2020, 12:57 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by jimenato
It's irrelevant anyway - Nissan won't be here so they won't be needed.
The demise of Nissan in the North East shouldn't come as any surprise to the informed Brexiteer anyway it was known by leading Brexiteers that it would be sacrificed long ago.
The demise of Nissan in the North East shouldn't come as any surprise to the informed Brexiteer anyway it was known by leading Brexiteers that it would be sacrificed long ago.
Sunderland plant safe after Nissan closes Spanish factory
Japanese giant's decision to focus European production in the UK sparks protests by workers in Barcelona who stand to lose their jobs
The future for Nissan’s Sunderland plant looks to be secure for years after the Japanese company said it will shut its Spanish factory.
Closing the Barcelona plant means the UK factory will become Nissan’s European manufacturing hub.
Sunderland has about 6,000 employees and supports about 27,000 jobs in its supply chain.
Shutting the Spanish plant, which has 3,000 staff, along with two smaller factories nearby, could mean production of models relocated to the UK.
Japanese giant's decision to focus European production in the UK sparks protests by workers in Barcelona who stand to lose their jobs
The future for Nissan’s Sunderland plant looks to be secure for years after the Japanese company said it will shut its Spanish factory.
Closing the Barcelona plant means the UK factory will become Nissan’s European manufacturing hub.
Sunderland has about 6,000 employees and supports about 27,000 jobs in its supply chain.
Shutting the Spanish plant, which has 3,000 staff, along with two smaller factories nearby, could mean production of models relocated to the UK.
May 28th 2020, 1:07 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
The previous UK government's 'assurances' must be one hell of a good deal for Nissan. But good news for Sunderland.
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May 28th 2020, 1:17 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
May 28th 2020, 1:33 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
Nissan backs UK plant as it unveils survival plan
Nissan is part of a three-way alliance with Renault and Mitsubishi, which are restructuring global operations to enable them to work more closely and cut costs.Nissan said on Thursday it would focus on several "key markets", including Japan, North America and China.
In a press briefing, its boss said that it will "sustain" its presence in Europe but will leave more room for alliance partners there, such as Renault. There has been speculation that Renault could switch some production to the Sunderland factory.
In a press briefing, its boss said that it will "sustain" its presence in Europe but will leave more room for alliance partners there, such as Renault. There has been speculation that Renault could switch some production to the Sunderland factory.
However, lots of questions remain. Nissan has identified Japan, North America and China as "core" markets - not Europe. In Europe, Nissan's alliance partner Renault will assume a greater role and influence in Europe at a time when the global car market will have to make very aggressive cost reductions.
The question may arise in the future - who is really in charge in Europe? If it's Renault, what does that mean for future investment in a post-Brexit UK? Nissan alone said it had capacity to make seven million cars when it only needs capacity for five million.
Only plants that can demonstrate an ability to be ruthless about cost will continue to attract investment. As Professor David Bailey tweeted this morning: "Once again, the workforce will have to pull out all the stops to work flexibly to get costs down".
The question may arise in the future - who is really in charge in Europe? If it's Renault, what does that mean for future investment in a post-Brexit UK? Nissan alone said it had capacity to make seven million cars when it only needs capacity for five million.
Only plants that can demonstrate an ability to be ruthless about cost will continue to attract investment. As Professor David Bailey tweeted this morning: "Once again, the workforce will have to pull out all the stops to work flexibly to get costs down".
May 28th 2020, 2:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by amideislas
"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."
Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
May 28th 2020, 3:27 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
The information for that came from the Brexiteer economist Patrick Minford who predicted the end of the UK automotive market because of Brexit - so it was he who got it wrong.
Serves me right for taking any notice of Brexiteers - none of them know what they're talking about.
May 28th 2020, 3:34 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
So, the UK as a cheaper production center, with its local customers looking for cheaper products as their wealth decreases.
"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."
Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."
Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
By the way, I believe I predicted this long ago on this forum.
May 28th 2020, 3:37 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
So, the UK as a cheaper production center, with its local customers looking for cheaper products as their wealth decreases.
"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."
Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."
Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
Nissan plant closing - bad news
Nissan plant staying - bad news
Remainiac position - anything is bad news
May 28th 2020, 5:35 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
I'm happy for Sunderland that NIssan is staying.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
May 28th 2020, 5:41 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
Keep searching and desperately hoping for bad news LiW, so you can prove you were "right".
Nissan plant closing - bad news
Nissan plant staying - bad news
Remainiac position - anything is bad news
Nissan plant closing - bad news
Nissan plant staying - bad news
Remainiac position - anything is bad news
May 28th 2020, 5:44 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum...Part II
Originally Posted by macliam
I'm happy for Sunderland that NIssan is staying.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
