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Old May 2nd 2020, 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
Now the only burning question remaining is how big was the settlement that the Electoral Commission paid to good old Aaron?
So there is no evidence that further offences were committed in a "specific matter" of where the money came from but the original offences (overspending) for which record fines were made are still offences.

See, this is a bit like a story a year or so ago about "victory" for one of the leave groups because they "won" a court case. Winning that court case turned out to involve the upholding of the 'convictions' and fines for all but one offence for which the fine was slightly reduced.

Now, apparently Banks is completely vindicated even though his campaign was still fined a record amount for previous and different offences regarding overspending.
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So there is no evidence that further offences were committed in a "specific matter" of where the money came from but the original offences (overspending) for which record fines were made are still offences.

See, this is a bit like a story a year or so ago about "victory" for one of the leave groups because they "won" a court case. Winning that court case turned out to involve the upholding of the 'convictions' and fines for all but one offence for which the fine was slightly reduced.

Now, apparently Banks is completely vindicated even though his campaign was still fined a record amount for previous and different offences regarding overspending.
Happy for you to take a few crumbs of comfort. Everyone's a winner, hey! ​​​​​​
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Happy for you to take a few crumbs of comfort. Everyone's a winner, hey! ​​​​​​
It seems to me that the crumbs would be anything but the record fines. I mean, that's why the fines would be a record amount right? Crumbs would be the minor stuff.
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'They're deluded if they think Brits are going to work on the land': Farmer who took on 50 English workers to pick crops just has 7 left as union warns applicants need to be 'fit' and it's not like working in an office

A farmer who started the asparagus harvest with 50 British workers but now has just six left has blasted the Government as 'deluded' for not doing more to help.

Seasonal workers from Romania were due to fly out to help UK farmers pick their asparagus crop this weekend, but had their flights cancelled when their government enforced stricter lockdown measures.

It has left one East of England farmer, who wanted to remain anonymous, facing an 'absolute nightmare'.

Despite 50 furloughed British workers and students signing up to help at the farm, just seven remained as the asparagus harvest continued this weekend.

The anonymous farmer told MailOnline: 'The Government who think British people are going to work on the land are deluded. It's not successful employing British workers. It's not a success.'
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
It's irrelevant anyway - Nissan won't be here so they won't be needed.

The demise of Nissan in the North East shouldn't come as any surprise to the informed Brexiteer anyway it was known by leading Brexiteers that it would be sacrificed long ago.
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?

Sunderland plant safe after Nissan closes Spanish factory
Japanese giant's decision to focus European production in the UK sparks protests by workers in Barcelona who stand to lose their jobs
The future for Nissan’s Sunderland plant looks to be secure for years after the Japanese company said it will shut its Spanish factory.

Closing the Barcelona plant means the UK factory will become Nissan’s European manufacturing hub.

Sunderland has about 6,000 employees and supports about 27,000 jobs in its supply chain.

Shutting the Spanish plant, which has 3,000 staff, along with two smaller factories nearby, could mean production of models relocated to the UK.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
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What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
That's a massive surprise...... From Barcelona, they could ship cars anywhere in the EU without tariffs, duties or customs delays, plus the workers would be paid in Euros, so no exchange rate fluctuations between cost and selling price.

The previous UK government's 'assurances' must be one hell of a good deal for Nissan. But good news for Sunderland.

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Nissan’s post-Brexit plans look positive, but they are a bet against the UK economy


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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
I'm going to add to my previous response. Although it appears Nissan is keeping the Sunderland plant, it also appears it's not looking at Europe as one of it's 'core' markets, and will be leaving that to it's partner, Renault.

Nissan backs UK plant as it unveils survival plan

Nissan is part of a three-way alliance with Renault and Mitsubishi, which are restructuring global operations to enable them to work more closely and cut costs.Nissan said on Thursday it would focus on several "key markets", including Japan, North America and China.

In a press briefing, its boss said that it will "sustain" its presence in Europe but will leave more room for alliance partners there, such as Renault. There has been speculation that Renault could switch some production to the Sunderland factory.
Butalthough Sunderland isn't closing, there are likely to be changes.......

However, lots of questions remain. Nissan has identified Japan, North America and China as "core" markets - not Europe. In Europe, Nissan's alliance partner Renault will assume a greater role and influence in Europe at a time when the global car market will have to make very aggressive cost reductions.

The question may arise in the future - who is really in charge in Europe? If it's Renault, what does that mean for future investment in a post-Brexit UK? Nissan alone said it had capacity to make seven million cars when it only needs capacity for five million.

Only plants that can demonstrate an ability to be ruthless about cost will continue to attract investment. As Professor David Bailey tweeted this morning: "Once again, the workforce will have to pull out all the stops to work flexibly to get costs down".
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So, the UK as a cheaper production center, with its local customers looking for cheaper products as their wealth decreases.

"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."


Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
What about the "informed" remainiac getting it wrong yet again?


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...anish-factory/
Good news (I hope).

The information for that came from the Brexiteer economist Patrick Minford who predicted the end of the UK automotive market because of Brexit - so it was he who got it wrong.

Serves me right for taking any notice of Brexiteers - none of them know what they're talking about.

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So, the UK as a cheaper production center, with its local customers looking for cheaper products as their wealth decreases.

"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."


Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
​​​​​​​It's a smart move. As other auto manufacturers move out for lost access to the single market, Nissan can continue to manufacture cars in Sunderland for the UK market alone, and enjoy a trade advantage over foreign made cars. Beats spending millions shutting down a factory. I reckon we'll see a lot more Nissans in the UK.

By the way, I believe I predicted this long ago on this forum.
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So, the UK as a cheaper production center, with its local customers looking for cheaper products as their wealth decreases.

"As was the case with Lidl, Nissan would be investing in the British economy while also betting heavily against its overall performance. The reason Nissan thinks it might be able to achieve a fivefold increase in market share is that it thinks other British-based car manufacturers will go to the wall – and that the cost of buying a car manufactured outside of the UK will be beyond the means of most British consumers.Because most big businesses, rightly or wrongly, think that the UK will become poorer as a result of Brexit, most of the companies that will announce or contemplate plans to invest in the UK will, when you look below the headlines, be making plans that envisage a poorer country than its immediate neighbours – or than the UK would have been had it stayed in the EU."


Wait, I thought leaving the EU was supposed to drive our wages up in the UK and allow us to "make better deals"?
Keep searching and desperately hoping for bad news LiW, so you can prove you were "right".

Nissan plant closing - bad news
Nissan plant staying - bad news

Remainiac position - anything is bad news
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I'm happy for Sunderland that NIssan is staying.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Keep searching and desperately hoping for bad news LiW, so you can prove you were "right".

Nissan plant closing - bad news
Nissan plant staying - bad news

Remainiac position - anything is bad news
Are you genuinely incapable of actually discussing a subject, considering various elements and possible outcomes? I only ask because you seem to have some sort of brexit-related Tourette's.
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
I'm happy for Sunderland that NIssan is staying.
However, the fact that the UK still retains something that it had already doesn't seem a big deal.
The truth will be in the small print.
Looks to me like it's all in service to the company, which is to be expected. 3000 people in Spain are going to lose their jobs so that Nissan can, presumably, cut its costs by moving some of those functions to the UK. This is, of course, why worker solidarity across an international collaborative system matters. Pitting one country against another produces winners for the 1%.
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