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007Steve

https:///news/a-european-germany-not-a-german-europe/51984

This article while about the fall of the Berlin Wall's aftermath nicely sums up the reason why, and I quote "the English don't get it"
I wonder who'll hold their hands up in support of this here ....

Oakvillian

linky no worky...

spouse of scouse

that made me laughy

Shard

Unlike ​​​​​yourself, I understand economics rather well. And unlike yourself, I have nothing to prove on BE. I'm not expecting you to do arguing/research for me, why would I? I've only pointed out that if you want to understand the situation you need to dig a bit a deeper. If you want to educate yourself this is what you have to do. If you're happy with your pet theories, leave it at that. The fact that it doesn't jive with government or business policy should be raising some doubts, but if you believe your 'back of the envelope calculations' trounce all that, that's your choice.

BristolUK

I'm an ex-elite.

An elite foreigner.

007Steve

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news...n-europe/51984
linky now worky.
Man who made linky no worky taught Italic writing at school by Jesuits and then calligraphy, as he told hand writing never go out of fashion.
Him now sent to re-education camp.....

Cape Blue

You understand it well, yet are unable to explain why your "macro" statement in any way impacts on my points - you're just throwing a word at the wall and like spaghetti, hoping it sticks.

How can I research and dig deeper when "macro" is a huge and wide area and you keep failing to explain why "macro" means the impacts on wages and accommodation from persistent high net immigration and the expansion of the reserve pool of labour are not what I suggest.

"The fact that it doesn't jive" - what doesn't jive? You appear completely unable to say what it is and just shout "macro" which means absolutely nothing in this context unless you explain it - you might as well just shout "physics".

Clearly you think you have dug deeper and therefore have a better understanding of economics, yet are entirely unable to explain what this is - it's laughable as a debating tactic.

Shard

Not here to research and not here to debate. You seem to thrive on false assumptions.

amideislas

I'm an elite, too. Not because I have more wealth than blueboy (if in the unlikely event that I do, it would certainly be marginal anyway)...

but because as a foreigner myself, I can't bring myself to subscribe to the dog whistle anti-foreigner exceptionalist ideology behind Brexit. So, yes, that makes me an "elite", I reckon.

Shard

It's as though Britain had, over the last few decades, finally put the lid on that 'foreigner' mentality...only it hadn't secured it. And then Nigel comes along and prys it open, and all the repressed anti-foreigner Brits came crawling out into the sunshine.

Red Eric

Well as we're constantly being told that the Brexit vote was the will of the people against the elites, a bit of anti-elitist politics ought to go down very well indeed. I look forward to a Labour government very shortly.

However, I don't know whether you're being disingenuous here but it seems to be becoming a little habit of yours to mismatch what you're quoting with the rest of what you're saying. Call me a pedant but the exact targets in the above quote were billionaire elites, dodgy landlords and bad bosses. You then extrapolate from that via a couple of other articles and end up making out it's all landlords because by definition they're elite, which is quite a long way away from what Corbyn said.

amideislas

Well, it looks as if those in the bubble of English exceptionalism are headed for a rude awakening. It will be fascinating to watch.

Still, I'm quite happy living this immensely inferior life in substandard Europe. In fact, I'll never go back to the superior sunlit uplands. But then, I also have the benefit of elitist objectivity.

Shard

I think it will be frustrating rather than fascinating. Instead of participating in Europe, we will be squabaling and in a decade long identity crisis. And if it weakens Europe, that will be even worse for national security and prosperity. The sunlit uplands will be promised and re-promised, only to look a bit uninspiring once reached. And those Leavers who currently implore that they knew exactly what they were voting for will be claiming just as loudly that they were tricked and mislead. Not a pretty outcome.

Shard

Yup. A bad habit.