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Old Sep 13th 2018, 10:03 pm
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Somebody's house prices are going South.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sh-carney-says
Quote: " Bank governor warns cabinet of high unemployment and sharp house price falls"

... Leveller says
Our day IS on the way.....
Project fear was saying the same thing two and a half years ago, a vote to leave would trigger an emergency budget, 800,000 extra unemployed, house price crash, yadda, yadda. I guess if they keep on saying then at some point in time they'll be right - it might be two years to ten years from now, but they can still claim they were right.
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Old Sep 13th 2018, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
"Capitulates" - the sort of term extremists use. It will be both sides coming down from their initial positions during the negotiation.
Reminds me of the old joke where an American ship orders a radar contact to change course,
The radar contact replies, "No t possible, you need to change course".
The ship's Captain says, "We're a US Navy aircraft carrier. Please change course or you will be fired upon".
Radar contact replies, "We're a lighthouse, sir. Your call".

The moral is that the EU can't change it's rules no matter how much the UK wants it to. The central pillars of the EU are rules that members follow. The UK was, and never will get the advantages of EU membership without following those rules. So the UK ends it's agreements on a wide range of areas having spent the last 18 months telling a lighthouse to change course.
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Old Sep 13th 2018, 10:27 pm
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Reminds me of the old joke where an American ship orders a radar contact to change course,
The radar contact replies, "No t possible, you need to change course".
The ship's Captain says, "We're a US Navy aircraft carrier. Please change course or you will be fired upon".
Radar contact replies, "We're a lighthouse, sir. Your call".

The moral is that the EU can't change it's rules no matter how much the UK wants it to. The central pillars of the EU are rules that members follow. The UK was, and never will get the advantages of EU membership without following those rules. So the UK ends it's agreements on a wide range of areas having spent the last 18 months telling a lighthouse to change course.
I do agree, the EU in intransigent and inflexible - makes one wonder how they will fair in the future.
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Old Sep 13th 2018, 11:18 pm
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I do agree, the EU in intransigent and inflexible
Rules-based would be my view. Some rules have to apply to every member state, other rules are a condition of an FTA. The UK's leaving, therefore the default position is the end of all existing agreements between the EU except where a transitional agreement has been made. The only transitional agreement I can think of so far is in respect of the European Medicines Agency.

But didn't the PM say 'nothing's agreed until everything's agreed'?

makes one wonder how they will fair in the future.
Same as the lighthouse, I suspect.
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Old Sep 13th 2018, 11:44 pm
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Project fear was saying the same thing two and a half years ago, a vote to leave would trigger an emergency budget, 800,000 extra unemployed, house price crash, yadda, yadda. I guess if they keep on saying then at some point in time they'll be right - it might be two years to ten years from now, but they can still claim they were right.
Exactly Priti Patel has already started..
Reportedly Carney referred to the very worst possible scenario not the .likely one.
So who leaked it , remainer or brexiter. .?
Given the negativity towards remain as a result of similar comments before the vote its is certainly not to the advantage of those supporting Chequers to leak but rather it is the antis who want a no deal can again roll out the " project fear " accusation.
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I do agree, the EU in intransigent and inflexible - makes one wonder how they will fair in the future.
So the UK will change what the British navy will do to get a trade deal with China. Or is the UK intransigent and inflexible?
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England is the center of the universe which all others orbit. It's everybody else who must accommodate England. Not the other way around.

You know how foreigners are. Lazy, intransigent, uneducated. No wonder they're all poor and unemployed. But no worries, we'll "school" them.

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Exactly Priti Patel has already started..
Reportedly Carney referred to the very worst possible scenario not the .likely one.
So who leaked it , remainer or brexiter. .?
Given the negativity towards remain as a result of similar comments before the vote its is certainly not to the advantage of those supporting Chequers to leak but rather it is the antis who want a no deal can again roll out the " project fear " accusation.
So essentially what you're saying is that when the government makes / releases their assessment of the worst-case scenario, it should actually assume something that isn't the worst possible case?
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So essentially what you're saying is that when the government makes / releases their assessment of the worst-case scenario, it should actually assume something that isn't the worst possible case?
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This was not part of the release of the latest " no deal " papers but a leak from a meeting in cabinet.
It was reportedly a worse worst scenario.
A leak that only serves to support those arguing for a no deal citing " we heard all this before "...
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The case against a " no deal " is not helped by unsubstantiated reports such as this.
All they do is play into the hands of the Ultra Brexiters ., who in return will cry " project fear ".
My point is EMR, that Carney is a Goldman Sachs man - who happened to be out-of-the-room while the rest were bundling financial derivatives into credit default swaps and betting the world's wallet on them.
So, it begs an interesting question - WHY keep him on until 2020/21.... ???
It's rather like putting Hugh Heffner in charge of sex education....
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This was not part of the release of the latest " no deal " papers but a leak from a meeting in cabinet.
It was reportedly a worse worst scenario.
A leak that only serves to support those arguing for a no deal citing " we heard all this before "...
We should probably stick it under "Socialism".
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Rules-based would be my view. Some rules have to apply to every member state, other rules are a condition of an FTA. The UK's leaving, therefore the default position is the end of all existing agreements between the EU except where a transitional agreement has been made. The only transitional agreement I can think of so far is in respect of the European Medicines Agency.
Nothing wrong with rules-based, but when those rules are stuck in the past and cannot be changed then you have a problem. One week per month, the whole lot have to decamp Brussels and train to Strasbourg, costing hundreds of millions of euros a year, because of an old rule they cannot change.

But didn't the PM say 'nothing's agreed until everything's agreed'?
I think that was the EU who said that.

Same as the lighthouse, I suspect.
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So the UK will change what the British navy will do to get a trade deal with China. Or is the UK intransigent and inflexible?
I've no idea what you are trying to say.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
England is the center of the universe which all others orbit. It's everybody else who must accommodate England. Not the other way around.

You know how foreigners are. Lazy, intransigent, uneducated. No wonder they're all poor and unemployed. But no worries, we'll "school" them.
Your words, not mine.
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I've no idea what you are trying to say.
A UK vessel was threatened by the Chinese navy when it sailed to close to disputed islands in the South China sea.
Maybe the suggestion is that trade with China is more important than protecting the territories of other countries in that region..

Your mate the pub landlord was on TV again this morning promoting his free trade fantasy..
In his fantasy world the UK should drop all tarrifs on imports and if the other party does not reciprocate on UK export then why worry, we are the UK .., we do not need to sell to them..
So we import from the US but if Trump applies tarrifs to UK exports that's OK in his fantasy version of brexit.
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