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Old Sep 13th 2018, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
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But then you'd call it fake news or project fear....
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Here you go. First result that came up using 3000 companies catalonia spain as the search.
https://www.businessinsider.com/firm...heaval-2017-12
Good data, thanks. When I searched all I could get was the 3,000 number and not the source. Sounds a robust number. I see the change of address does not require a change of fiscal domicile.
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Classic project fear.

The title in Reuters says:

Brexit could sway Scottish voters towards independence from UK - poll

And somehow your link has converted it to "would". Very strange.

Inside the article we have:
The poll showed that if Britain leaves the EU as planned, 47 percent of Scots would vote for independence at another referendum on Scotland’s future.
I know remainiacs think 47/48% is a majority, but it isn't.

"Polls" being undertaken daily by vested interests mean nothing - if UKIP sponsored a "poll" by choosing the locations of the respondents, the phrasing of the words to be used by the pollsters and then getting to interpret the results, you'd all call into question the results, so one has to look at who designed, commissioned and interpreted this "Poll". Oh look:
The poll was commissioned by Best for Britain, an body campaigning for Britain to keep an open mind on retaining its EU membership.
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Old Sep 13th 2018, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post


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Prime Minister Theresa May announced the government's intention not to seek permanent membership of the European single market or the EU customs union after leaving the EU
China trades a lot with the EU and is not a member - being outside the SM/CU is not isolationist, it's where most of the world is and the EU trades plenty with the USA, China, Japan etc, just as they will with the UK.

​​​​​​Europeans (and most of the rest of the world) have largely forgotten Brexit. It's a British problem. How's that going by the way? Got the cake yet?
Not going as well as hoped for sure, although having too many 5th columnists in Parliament, beholden to big business etc has not helped.

You've already been shot down on that. Not worth the bother.
I've now been shown the source of the number, unlike you I don't uncritically swallow data that supports my position without trying to check it. Just look at your would/could gullibility above.
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There are 11 net contributors to the EU. That's hardly a "very few".
11 out of 28, with around 5 paying anything substantial in.
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11 out of 28, with around 5 paying anything substantial in.
And there are also countries that don't take anything substantial out.
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Originally Posted by Assanah View Post
And there are also countries that don't take anything substantial out.
Makes you wonder why they need the UK to cough up £10B a year net doesn't it?
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You are loving in the past again Fred .
Ten years ago this Saturday

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On September 15, 2008, the firm filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection

George Santayana:- "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it",

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Bit of a non-conversation, isn't it, seeing as EMR was completely incorrect about the EIB acting like any other bank?

However, lessons clearly haven't been learned.
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Ten years ago this Saturday

Lehman Brother

On September 15, 2008, the firm filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection

George Santayana:- "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it",

It will happen again, the seeds are already sown, niohing do with the banks though but us, we mortals , countries who live beyond our means , who borrow up to the hilt, in the belief that there will never be a downturn...
Those who say it's capitalism fault cannot not come up with an alternative that has worked...
Do you legislate against ambition, aspiration, you certainly cannot legislate against greed.

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I thought this was an interesting comment by the Waitrose guy.

He made clear that it wasn’t possible for Waitrose to stockpile goods to prepare for any interruption in food deliveries from the EU caused by a no-deal Brexit. “It rots, and you waste it,” he said.
He says "goods" yet refers to the fruit and veg aisle - I often shop at my local waitrose, the fruit and veg aisle is around 5% of the store, add in a bit of fresh dairy/meat etc and it might be 10%.

He doesn't mention storage space or the other 90% of goods that don't rot (in any appreciable timescale), nor does the article mention the rotable food that arises in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ive-99-percent
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
I thought this was an interesting comment by the Waitrose guy.

He says "goods" yet refers to the fruit and veg aisle - I often shop at my local waitrose, the fruit and veg aisle is around 5% of the store, add in a bit of fresh dairy/meat etc and it might be 10%.

He doesn't mention storage space or the other 90% of goods that don't rot (in any appreciable timescale), nor does the article mention the rotable food that arises in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ive-99-percent
The same guy whose seen his groups profits fall by 90%.
Cash flow could also be a critical factor in his plans...
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
I thought this was an interesting comment by the Waitrose guy.

He says "goods" yet refers to the fruit and veg aisle - I often shop at my local waitrose, the fruit and veg aisle is around 5% of the store, add in a bit of fresh dairy/meat etc and it might be 10%.

He doesn't mention storage space or the other 90% of goods that don't rot (in any appreciable timescale), nor does the article mention the rotable food that arises in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ive-99-percent
A higher percentage of the fruit and veg section comes from outside the UK than most other sections of the store. It often trades 1st and 2nd place with the meat sections (fresh and frozen) during the year.
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
It will happen again, the seeds are already sown, niohing do with the banks though but us, we mortals , countries who live beyond our means , who borrow up to the hilt, in the belief that there will never be a downturn...
Those who say it's capitalism fault cannot not come up with an alternative that has worked...
Do you legislate against ambition, aspiration, you certainly cannot legislate against greed.
Typical "there is no alternative" narrative from a supporter of taxpayer-funded private bank bailouts

Of course you can legislate against the conditions that arise from lax regulation, inspection and enforcement.
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Typical "there is no alternative" narrative from a supporter of taxpayer-funded private bank bailouts

Of course you can legislate against the conditions that arise from lax regulation, inspection and enforcement.

You can legislate to make loans and mortgages harder to tie the up the banks ability to lend
Deny people the right to aspire to a better life, own their own home, deny credit to growing companies, that create employment etc etc. . .
For every new bit of legislation a loophole will be found by the banks.
Despite all the changes that were forced on the Banks after the last crisis, consumer lending is once again at record levels.
Why because we have a society an economic structure that needs credit, countries, companies and individuals.
When that dries up, as we saw 10 years ago chaos ensues....
It will happen again, not if but when...
Banks will again be bailed out in one way or another because the alternative would be even more costly ..

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Classic project fear.

The title in Reuters says:Brexit could sway Scottish voters towards independence from UK - poll

And somehow your link has converted it to "would". Very strange.

Inside the article we have:
I know remainiacs think 47/48% is a majority, but it isn't.

"Polls" being undertaken daily by vested interests mean nothing - if UKIP sponsored a "poll" by choosing the locations of the respondents, the phrasing of the words to be used by the pollsters and then getting to interpret the results, you'd all call into question the results, so one has to look at who designed, commissioned and interpreted this "Poll". Oh look:
Well Brexiteers seem to think 52% to 48% was an overwhelming majority.

And should those very same Brexiteers push the UK off the cliff, the resulting chaos would no doubt provide all the political fuel needed to support (and win) an independence referendum in Scotland, and a reunification referendum in Ireland. And it's much easier for northern Ireland, since they wouldn't have the burden of rejoining the EU, as Scotland would.

It's a very dangerous game the UK is playing with itself. And like you, they seem to be ignoring the known risks and consequences. It's not "project fear". Their own analyses (though rosy coloured as much as possible) illustrate the same serious risks. But ignored. Brilliant.

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