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Old Jan 16th 2018, 4:30 pm
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Yes they are EMR that is what I am trying to convey to Morpeth, who seems to think little has changed.

(Unfortunately it is sometimes necessary to point out what they had to recover from, just as Remainers keep justifying the EU because Europe needs something to keep the peace following WW1 and WW11).
Why,

The UK does not owe India anything and certainly India dies not owe the UK anything..

The EU has nothing to do with a wish to keep the peace.
It's a logical recognition that conflict leads nowhere.
It's a pity the nations on the subcontinent have not reached the same development in their history.
Good news for the arms suppliers though,including the UK and the current guest .
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Old Jan 16th 2018, 5:02 pm
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Why,

The UK does not owe India anything and certainly India dies not owe the UK anything..

The EU has nothing to do with a wish to keep the peace.
It's a logical recognition that conflict leads nowhere.
It's a pity the nations on the subcontinent have not reached the same development in their history.
Good news for the arms suppliers though,including the UK and the current guest .
I did not say either owed anything just the reality of the situation in the 1940/50s.

It is frequently mentioned on the EU threads that the origin of the EEC etc was to preserve peace.

There are seven nations of the Subcontinent, six are at peace with each other, have trade agreements, free movement between two of them.
Arms can be for defence!!
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Old Jan 16th 2018, 5:24 pm
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I did not say either owed anything just the reality of the situation in the 1940/50s.

It is frequently mentioned on the EU threads that the origin of the EEC etc was to preserve peace.

There are seven nations of the Subcontinent, six are at peace with each other, have trade agreements, free movement between two of them.
Arms can be for defence!!
The origin of the EU was the Benelux agreement on Iron and steel.
There was never any threat to peace within western Europe in the post war years and in current times..
The catalysts that resulted in the two world wars did not and no longer exist.


Peace with each other does not mean that there are not internal conflicts,
Conflicts that lasted for decades and cost thousands of lives , .
Only complete morons threaten the use of nuclear weapons, Trump and Kim are not the only ones..
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Old Jan 16th 2018, 5:49 pm
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It was the wealthy who had the stacks of black money not the poor. The poor are not avoiding tax it is the wealthy.

There are poor and homeless in the UK--I don't notice you going on about stopping scientific research in the UK!! What about HS2
The degree of poverty and how poverty is defined in the UK is no where near objectively to the situation in India, as numerous studies point out objectively.
As you say it takes time to deal with such situations, especially when it involves several hundred million people.

We were not discussing the UK , but yes there are many things in UK concerning the poor and working poor in the changing economy that should be addressed better. And worse in America. People working for the government in most parts of the world do seem to find ways to over-spend and overlook the unfortunate.
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Old Jan 16th 2018, 5:59 pm
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Yes they are EMR that is what I am trying to convey to Morpeth, who seems to think little has changed.

(Unfortunately it is sometimes necessary to point out what they had to recover from, just as Remainers keep justifying the EU because Europe needs something to keep the peace following WW1 and WW11).
I have in numerous posts acknowledged that there has been progress, and also acknowledge many of your posts have highlighted the recent progress in particular.

Just hard a long speech by Macron, who emphasized exactly the point that the EU and its predecessors have as their ultimate value preserving the peace.
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The origin of the EU was the Benelux agreement on Iron and steel.
The origin of the EU was the Schuman Declaration.
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The origin of the EU was the Schuman Declaration.
Which was the establishment of a common agreement on Iron and steel production .
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Which was the establishment of a common agreement on Iron and steel production .
as a means towards...?
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Old Jan 30th 2018, 2:25 pm
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Morpeth -----I have stated several times that I could write pages of what is wrong with India. Just happen to disagree with yourself.

Again you say "sanitation in India" as though the country is one homgenous unit of clones.

The pig toilets (Portuguese origin) are hideous (in my opinion) perhaps you disagree?
A National Geographic article on the problem of open defecation in India, someone posted in a thread about Trump's S-hole country comment. You may wish to post there stating how this and every other such report is incorrect in the impression it gives.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/m...ng-sanitation/

The article is interesting, I suppose one shouldn't be too critical as it states part of the problem is Indian culture and certainly India has a right to its own cultural practices and traditions, and if over five hundred million Indians are estimated to defecate outside maybe it is a tradition too deep-rooted to be eliminated in this century.

I admit find this amazing in the 21st century such a problem in a country that spends money on a space program when hundreds of millions either don't have or prefer not to use a toilet. The article does give Modi credit in trying to address the problem, but in many instances it seems people take the money to buy a latrine, but then use it for something else.

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Old Feb 1st 2018, 8:46 pm
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Indian farmed chickens have the highest levels of anti biotics in thecwirld.
Currently EU rules prohibit their import into the EU and the UK.
Regulations which the UK would have to enforce after Brexit.
We thought US chlorinated chickens were bad but these could be worse.
The report is in the Guardian .
Think I will stick to veggies on my trip to India.
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Old Feb 2nd 2018, 12:49 pm
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Old Feb 7th 2018, 5:03 am
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I have simply asked you for proof that the working party that you refer to exists.
Officials from both countries having discussions regarding the details of a trade agreement.
Conservative party newsletters etc is not confirmation.
I am not worked up about it.I just want you to stick to verifiable facts.

One fact is that the UK government simply does not have the skills other sources to be involved inbthe by,her of trade discusdionsvtjat Fox refers to.

Instead of using the phrase working party just say that both sides have aspirations towards a post br3xitvtrade deal that has yet to be detailed and could take years.
Then you will be accurate.
In fact no different from the on going EU, India discussions.
Interesting mention of India on BBC today- quoted report that FTA with India would result in 33% increase in British exports to India and 12% in Indian exports to UK ( but I remember similar projections for NAFTA which didn't come to pass). The British government official stated the main projected stumbling block is the drastic increase in visas India wants- evidently because the amount of remittances sent back to India. Don't know what the projects based on, but does at least provide some quantification of effect of FTA. I wonder what products they are referring to.
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Interesting mention of India on BBC today- quoted report that FTA with India would result in 33% increase in British exports to India and 12% in Indian exports to UK ( but I remember similar projections for NAFTA which didn't come to pass). The British government official stated the main projected stumbling block is the drastic increase in visas India wants- evidently because the amount of remittances sent back to India. Don't know what the projects based on, but does at least provide some quantification of effect of FTA. I wonder what products they are referring to.
Countries without FTA continue to expand their interests and investment in India while the UK dithers.
Giants such as Amazon and Alibaba are both investing 100smillions by acquiring interests in Indian operations.
Proof that having what the market wants is more important than any trade agreements.
The financial Times article compares the Indian and Chinese markets, the much lower incomes and access to technology in India compared to China but it's obvious potential.

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Old Feb 7th 2018, 9:12 am
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I need to read Mark Tully (I remember him on the Beeb from years ago) -

Mark Tully - new 'Heart of India' book on the way and thoughts on Modi's demonetisation and India 'intolerance'... - Asian Culture Vulture
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Don,t go there, you know what to expect, accusations of lies and prejudice.
Mark Tully is one of that long line of correspondents who set the BBC and it's like far above the competition.
There are not enough of them .
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