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Old Feb 8th 2017, 8:48 pm
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https://reaction.life/time-experts-admit-wrong-brexit/

Probably a bit behind the times, many experts having already admitted they got it wrong.

As for our resident BE experts...............
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate View Post
Well the last person to try and sell us down the drain was Tony B Liar are you expecting he will be re-elected?
The voting public have done some pretty perverse things in the last year so anything's possible.

But that's not something I'd considered.

The world changed on June 23rd.

Many have changed changed their pre-referendum tune - Farage, Banks, May, Hannan, Johnson - all have done about-turns on their previous positions.

Do not assume that the pre-referendum position on Gibraltar will remain unchanged.
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Old Feb 8th 2017, 8:57 pm
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Please explain the connection between your post and the decision taken by the UK on the 24th June.
How will this impact on the UK.
How will this affect the negotiations May will be having regarding the UK trade agreement with the EU.?
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Old Feb 8th 2017, 9:14 pm
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Brexit vote: Theresa May wins Commons approval to trigger Article 50 as Labour's Clive Lewis resigns

Onwards and upwards.
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Old Feb 8th 2017, 9:41 pm
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You must be the only person in the UK who had any doubts.
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Now replace the term 'WTO' with 'EU'.

We're leaving one to make our lives much more complicated within the other. Never mind, it's what you voted to do.


India vetoed a global WTO deal in 2007, even though it agreed with the deal. The veto was because it wanted something extra.

And here's something on Votes, Vetoes, and Preferential Trading Agreements

Yes, I read that before but the India veto was for a world trade reform, not against a single nation’s schedule. You are mixing the equation. We are discussing not a world agreement but UK schedules.

Your link, ‘Votes, Vetoes, and Preferential Trading Agreements’ is in relation to a veto over PTAs, not a nation’s schedule.

What I would like to know is how a nation can veto another nation? Within the context of a PTA? But the average WTO member is party to only 13 PTAs when there are over 300 PTAs. Is it thus not an easy matter to bypass any arrangement with a vetoing nation and arrange a deal with those WTO members who are agreeable?

What I would like to know is how Argentina, for example, since the Independent mentioned them, can veto the UK if the UK does not want to come to an arrangement with a PTA that includes Argentina. And can Argentina veto a UK schedule?

Argentina has one PTA with Switzerland, one with Norway, one with Turkey, one with Kazakhstan, one with Russia, one with Japan, one with Australia and one with New Zealand. They are hardly a threat to the UK. Or have I missed something?

How can the UK’s WTO status be blocked by territorial disputes by, for example, Argentina?

When you say: ‘Now replace the term 'WTO' with 'EU'. We're leaving one to make our lives much more complicated within the other. Never mind, it's what you voted to do.’

Have you forgotten? We joined the EU as a TRADING BLOCK. If it were still so today we would not have needed a referendum.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Are you talking about the UK or the US?

Oh, maybe it's more or less the same (or could be):

Brexit happy ending: Make UK the 51st state

10 reasons the UK should become the 51st State of America
I mean't the Uk as it's a post referendum thread.. But heh it does seem to be the ambition of many to become the 51st state of the USA.
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And the 'fake news 'skittles continue to fall down..All those premises on which the British public were asked to vote on

Latest... David Davis has stood up in Parliament to discuss the white paper on Brexit

He said -and I quote. 'Whilst parliament HAS remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU...It has not always felt like it.'

So all those who wanted the countries sovereignty back. DD has belated news for you.. You never lost it.
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly View Post
https://reaction.life/time-experts-admit-wrong-brexit/

Probably a bit behind the times, many experts having already admitted they got it wrong.

As for our resident BE experts...............

HOW MANY MORE TIMES.... WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET DICK!!!!aaagh
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Old Feb 8th 2017, 10:51 pm
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HOW MANY MORE TIMES.... WE HAVEN'T LEFT YET DICK!!!!aaagh
Sorry to be a grammar nazi and all that but shouldn't there be a comma or a semicolon or a full stop or something in there?
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Old Feb 8th 2017, 11:18 pm
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There has been a very interesting analysis of the vote just released, following on from others such as the Joseph Roundtree foundation.
It confirms that the brexit vote was won by the votes of low income anti immigrant UK residents.
The obvious is there, 70% of Sun and Express readers voted to leave, over 60% of Daily Mail readers.
The majority of over 65 voters were also pro brexit.
What the analysis confirms is that those responsible for the decision to leave will also be the ones who will not gain out of any positives from brexit.
We read and hear every day about the pressures on the NHS and the continuing cut backs in care provisions by this government.
Who will continue to suffer, the elderly.
We read and hear every day that the new proposed trade agreements , investment in the UK will benefit those with skills in tech and new industries, therefore not those on low incomes lacking skills holding anti immigrant views.
To summarise, the majority of those who will benefit from any economic positives from brexit will be those who voted to remain.
The majority of those who will suffer from any economic negatives resulting from brexit will be those who voted to leave.

So either way for the well paid, well educated remainer, it is heads I win,tails you lose.

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Moan, moan, moan.....

You lost,

... respect the Democratic decision and move on.

Follow the example of those companies and institutions who have enough confidence and knowledge to put their money where their mouth is and continue to invest and believe in a successful apres Brexit UK.



Furthermore EMR if you consider the type of companies and personnel who are pledging allegiance, investing and moving forward positively towards a post Brexit UK, then your nonsensical theory is sunk without trace.

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Old Feb 9th 2017, 1:41 am
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
I know they keep saying that the wishes of the Gibraltarian people will be respected but that could change.
If the government were respecting Gibraltar's wishes, they'd be finding a way for Gibraltar to remain part of the EU, as expressed by the 96%.

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Well the last person to try and sell us down the drain was Tony B Liar are you expecting he will be re-elected?
Tony Blair has as much chance of being elected as Gib has of getting easier travel through the Spanish border at La Linea.

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Yes, I read that before but the India veto was for a world trade reform, not against a single nation’s schedule. You are mixing the equation. We are discussing not a world agreement but UK schedules.

Your link, ‘Votes, Vetoes, and Preferential Trading Agreements’ is in relation to a veto over PTAs, not a nation’s schedule.

What I would like to know is how a nation can veto another nation? Within the context of a PTA? But the average WTO member is party to only 13 PTAs when there are over 300 PTAs. Is it thus not an easy matter to bypass any arrangement with a vetoing nation and arrange a deal with those WTO members who are agreeable?

What I would like to know is how Argentina, for example, since the Independent mentioned them, can veto the UK if the UK does not want to come to an arrangement with a PTA that includes Argentina. And can Argentina veto a UK schedule?
Try this.

The reason most of the large “plurilateral” negotiations are taking place outside of the WTO is simple: agreements within the WTO need the approval of all members to proceed. But unanimous approval is likely only when the content of agreements is not controversial – hence the proposal to abandon the rule.

Such a reform would eliminate individual countries’ veto power, allowing agreements to progress within the WTO even if certain members oppose them. This proposal is a game changer. The result is that plurilateral negotiations – talks involving only some countries rather than the WTO’s entire membership – would likely become the organization’s main way of doing business.
Remember, the UK's current schedule under WTO rules are governed by the EU's schedule. The UK will have to make a new global schedule, including the EU, if the UK and EU don't finalise their own agreement before the UK leaves the EU.
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A tiny section of the financial services market is leaving the UK.

Goldman hedge fund folding London operations, shifting staff to U.S.

Goldman Sachs Investment Partners (GSIP), which opened in 2008 with one of the biggest launches in hedge fund history, is folding its London operations into the United States and shifting staff members to New York, four sources told Reuters.

About eight staff members who made up the London team were recently told to move to the Battery Park City headquarters of Goldman Sach Group Inc (GS.N) in lower Manhattan or find a new job internally, the sources said.

A Goldman spokesman confirmed the move but not the details, adding that the reasons for the staff shift were not related to Brexit.

"This is a discrete decision for reasons specific to GSIP, one investment team within Goldman Sachs, and shouldn’t be construed as anything but that," he said.

The move was triggered by managing director Nick Advani, who led the hedge fund's London operations, the sources said. He said in June he would be stepping down from his role, they said, requesting anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media.
Considering the recent reports about terror attacks that didnb't actually happen, is this another lie?
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
The voting public have done some pretty perverse things in the last year so anything's possible.

But that's not something I'd considered.

The world changed on June 23rd.

Many have changed changed their pre-referendum tune - Farage, Banks, May, Hannan, Johnson - all have done about-turns on their previous positions.

Do not assume that the pre-referendum position on Gibraltar will remain unchanged.
All we can hope is that the UK now has a breed of more honest politicians

Watch the following view from Gibraltar in full :-


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