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The EU will (hopefully) decide what is best for the EU and that is precisely what the EU should do.

If they do make a decision out of spite or for some other reason apart from the economic interest of EU citizens then that's their problem.

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She isn't allowed to hold dual nationality, right? That sucks, because it isn't just punishing her, it's punishing you - a British citizen. I know family based immigration is a favourite target for the anti-immigration movement but go after brothers, sisters and parents, not spouses and children.

Not that we're likely to move to the UK any time soon, but it is nice to have it as an option.

That's where I remember it from then. I was an Income Support decision maker in the early 2000s, so I would have seen the stamp on passports to verify eligibility.

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So instead of staying at home to resolve the disarray within the ranks with regards to Brexit votes, May seems to have a craving for Cheetos.

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Both Brexit and non-Brexit are likely to cause upheavals of one kind or another. A non-Brexit would likely mean a Tory election defeat but the economy will recover faster because being a member of the EU is ultimately a known factor to the markets. Brexit is more politically stable short term, until the long-term effects on the economy are known, and that will likely take a while.

There is unlikely to be any major economic upheaval at this point, but there will be once A50 is triggered, and in the months running up to the final deal and exit dates.

This has been explained to you yesterday. Turkey was given a list of items it need to do to join the EU. It has completed less than 10% of these. It still has to remove it's troops from Cyprus, and bring it's human rights laws in line with the EU's. Neither is going to happen in the current Turkish political climate.

But didn't you say this too?

Are they suddenly going to open their doors because the UK is gone? Cyprus has a veto on Turkish membership too.

What Ami said. Cameron got most of what he asked for. The same as every other UK Prime Minister has done since Thatcher when they've gone whining to the EU.

And different costs of living, different rates of pay, and different tax systems.

EU/EEA nationals in the UK apply for a Residence Certificate. The non-EU/EEA family members of Brits, EU/EEA nationals and all Third-Country Nationals apply for Biometric Residence Permit cards.

The minimum income requirement has absolutely nothing to do with the UK's membership of the EU. It's purely a UK choice to impose it. Some EU countries choose to have an income requirement for their nationals married to non-EU nationals, others such as Portugal don't, and allow Portuguese nationals to bring their non-EU spouses in under EU free movement rules.

The UK's income requirement is the 2nd highest in the EU, and is a major factor in Brits being the highest percentage of all EU nationals using the Surinder Singh route because they don't earn enough to meet the requirement. (51% of Brits don't earn £18,600 per year).

I think the article mentioned that the figures were based on the 174 local authorities who responded out of 360-something nationally. So we could probably double the numbers.

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Yep. It's shit. God knows she has paid her dues in the UK but taking British citizenship will strip of her of her original nationality unfortunately. There are growing numbers of immigrants and mixed-race voters in her homeland these days and a lot of politicians there are pushing for change but it sadly looks unlikely to happen anytime soon. I could potentially take her nationality and hold on to both but that would be exploiting a couple of loopholes in international law and would get me into trouble if I was caught.

The irony was that the test she took to become a UK permanent resident (yes there is actually an exam for that these days) is also the same one that she would need to take to become a citizen I think.

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Oh come on. You know full well that even if Turkey met every requirement on that list and agreed to give up all claims to Cyprus forever, the EU would still come up with some BS reason as to why Turkish accession wasn't possible.

Let's face it, the EU has never even realistically wanted Turkey to join. They just strung the Turkish along to keep them in check and because Europe doesn't really like the idea of having a Muslim country on its doorstep.

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Yeah, that's a pain in the arse either way. I guess I take my dual citizenship for granted sometimes (and by extension my wife's ability to become a dual UK-US citizen too if she do desired).

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The US will never make it easy to give up citizenship when it's a revenue stream for all USCs to pay taxes.

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Yeah, there is that.

I don't know that many US citizens living abroad find themselves actually having to pay additional taxes, though. Not unless they're super rich or something.

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What is best for the EU may not be what brexiters want, they will just have to accept it ..
The only spite is coming from the brexit camp.
A vote to leave is a vote to leave.
When we leave brexiters should just shut up and accept that they have got what they voted for ,whatever the repercussions.
But I doubt they will, it will always be the fault of someone else.

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And that's why many Brits have taken advantage of EU free movement and the Surinder Singh judgement to bring their spouses home.

I think that's highly unlikely, because the Home Office won't want to allow a reduction in the income requirement after fighting a legal challenge through the High Court and 2013 and Appeal Court in 2014, which went to the Supreme Court last year. The decision on that hasn't been given yet.

Which has been what the UK as part of the EU has been doing for years. It's got pretty much nearly every concession it as for, including a rebate and opt-outs from the Euro and Schengen.

Actually, it's the UK's problem. And the EU won't give the UK something for nothing, which is how we got all the concessions we previously got out of the EU. We're apparently leaving, and if we want anything from the EU such as a free trade deal, customs union or financial services passporting, it's going to cost us something in return.

The EU is not going to give us a better deal (or as good as) outside the EU than we get inside the EU.

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Turkey is on its doorstep , unless its moved recently.

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The Life in the UK test. Even EU nationals have to take it to apply for UK citizenship.

Have you tried doing it. Most of the stuff appears to be useless trivia. Here are some practice tests

When it first came out, some of the answers were wrong, and the wrong answer scored the points. Of course, if you put the correct answers to those questions, you didn't score the points.

I thought you said Turkey was a secular country?

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Spain wants to start Brexit trade talks as soon as possible - Business Insider


Spanish government officials want to start negotiating a trade deal with the UK to take effect after Brexit,
going against the official position of key negotiators in Brussels.

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