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Lion in Winter Jan 21st 2017 8:40 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12157752)
Officially working. Employed in Britain. Not the bedraggled remnants of unemployed Eastern Europe who I used to see waiting in groups for a builder to pick them up outside a builder’s merchant or on street corners for a day’s work on the black. They have all gone. And good riddance to them. Give a British builder a chance. The remittances they send back have also declined, in real terms and with devaluation. My heart rejoices. Welcome to the world.

So, extra special armbands then.

EMR Jan 21st 2017 8:44 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12157833)
What have you got against 50/50, particularly with a country which is a major investor and job creator for the UK.

You are frequently accuse Brexit voters of xenophobia and being against foreigners but you seem keen on unfair deals with other countries and "keeping the upper hand" and believing that they will be stupid enough not to regard their own interests (which only the UK are entitled to do, being of a superior kind).

That is not how business works.
There always has to be a winner, its called capitalism.
Its what pays peoples wages, provides taxes to pay for health ,education, dividends that fund your pension.
Its reality.

Bipat Jan 21st 2017 9:31 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12157858)
That is not how business works.
There always has to be a winlled capitalism.
Its what pays peoples wages, provides taxes to pay for health ,education, dividends that fund your pension.
Its reality.

So, what you are saying countries investing in the UK should not expect any returns?
Any deal should be at a loss for the other side, they should not make any profit on exports? They should import UK goods out of charity regardless of whether they want them and pay less than they are worth?
Can't see many wanting to trade with the UK if that is their philosophy!:lol:

(The reality is that 'fairness and resonableness' in contract law applies also to international contracts.)

EMR Jan 21st 2017 9:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12157875)
So, what you are saying countries investing in the UK should not expect any returns?
Any deal should be at a loss for the other side, they should not make any profit on exports? They should import UK goods out of charity regardless of whether they want them and pay less than they are worth?
Can't see many wanting to trade with the UK if that is their philosophy!:lol:

(The reality is that 'fairness and resonableness' in contract law applies also to international contracts.)

The reality is that one or other party will make a bigger profit by taking advantage of the other.Its the real world not a fairy story..
You pension if you have one comes from just such a reality.
Do you send back money that comes from business transaction you disaprove of
Of course not.
Those lookng to trade with the UK will do so for one reason only, because it provides the potential for profits , to enrich their companies, manufacturers etc.
Its is to their political andceconomic advantage.

As the saying goes, wake up and smell the roses..

amideislas Jan 22nd 2017 8:09 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
Brexit: Berlin business leaders unimpressed with UK's message


Britain used to be seen by continentals as quirky and occasionally awkward - but reliably pragmatic on the economy.

However, since the Brexit vote, Europeans suspect endearing eccentricity has morphed into unpredictable irrationality. The UK has become the tipsy, tweedy uncle, who after too much Christmas sherry has tipped over into drunkenly abusive bore.

jimenato Jan 22nd 2017 8:46 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12158070)


Many leave campaigners remain convinced that German business leaders will force Mrs Merkel to grant the UK a special free trade deal in order not to lose British trade.

But that's not what's happening.

Instead German firms are remarkably united in their support of the chancellor in her rejection of British "cherry-picking" - even if it means losing business in the short-term.
When you talk to German bosses they say their top priority is in fact the integrity of the single market, rather than hanging on to British customers.
This is obvious.

Leavers do not appreciate the value of the single internal market.

It is such an asset that Germany will be inclined to preserve it more-or-less whatever.

Fredbargate Jan 22nd 2017 9:32 am

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In 2014 the UK received goods to the value of $100bn from Germany whilst exports to Germany were $46.5bn

Former Lancastrian Jan 22nd 2017 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12158104)
In 2014 the UK received goods to the value of $100bn from Germany whilst exports to Germany were $46.5bn

Well they do produce good automobiles and beer and wine :lol:

EMR Jan 22nd 2017 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12158086)
This is obvious.

Leavers do not appreciate the value of the single internal market.

It is such an asset that Germany will be inclined to preserve it more-or-less whatever.

What our brexit politicians seem not to understand is that they can make as much noise as they like but it is the business community across the EU and UK who will make the decisions that will either make brexit a success or not for the UK economy.

EMR Jan 22nd 2017 9:39 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12158104)
In 2014 the UK received goods to the value of $100bn from Germany whilst exports to Germany were $46.5bn

What do we produce that the Germans would want to buy.
This is 2017 not 1967.

amideislas Jan 22nd 2017 9:39 am

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Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12158086)


Many leave campaigners remain convinced that German business leaders will force Mrs Merkel to grant the UK a special free trade deal in order not to lose British trade.

But that's not what's happening.

Instead German firms are remarkably united in their support of the chancellor in her rejection of British "cherry-picking" - even if it means losing business in the short-term.
When you talk to German bosses they say their top priority is in fact the integrity of the single market, rather than hanging on to British customers.
This is obvious.

Leavers do not appreciate the value of the single internal market.

It is such an asset that Germany will be inclined to preserve it more-or-less whatever.

Besides that, where will Britain get the imports it is dependent upon? Good old USA?

I hear those Idaho potatoes are pretty good. Unfortunately, the cost of transport is a bit higher from Idaho than from Ingolstadt. Takes longer, too. How about that Florida Citrus? I'm sure Fed-X or UPS have routes from Miami to London. My last Fed-X shipment from the US (an envelope) costed $57. Imagine what 10 planeloads of oranges cost.

But Farage has a brilliant solution. We could save all those international fed-X charges by becoming the 51st state.
British sovereignty best served by UK becoming 51st state, says Farage


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Former Lancastrian Jan 22nd 2017 9:43 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12158112)
What do we produce that the Germans would want to buy.
This is 2017 not 1967.

Dr Martens footwear but normally worn by extremist right wing individuals.
They can be worn as an industrial safety boot and they are rather comfortable.

Beaverstate Jan 22nd 2017 9:53 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12158113)
Besides that, where will Britain get the imports it is dependent upon? Good old USA?

I hear those Idaho potatoes are pretty good. Unfortunately, the cost of transport is a bit higher from Idaho than from Ingolstadt. Takes longer, too. How about that Florida Citrus? I'm sure Fed-X or UPS have routes from Miami to London. My last Fed-X shipment from the US (an envelope) costed $57. Imagine what 10 planeloads of oranges cost.

But Farage has a brilliant solution. We could save all those international fed-X charges by becoming the 51st state.
British sovereignty best served by UK becoming 51st state, says Farage


http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...xlarge-169.jpg

Transporting spuds from Idaho cannot be as expensive as transporting Tilapia from China to the US. So called 'fresh' tilapia sells for around $3 per pound here. We only hope they are refrigerated the entire way.

EMR Jan 22nd 2017 10:03 am

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 12158126)
Transporting spuds from Idaho cannot be as expensive as transporting Tilapia from China to the US. So called 'fresh' tilapia sells for around $3 per pound here. We only hope they are refrigerated the entire way.

So there are no fish farmers in the US who can see a business opportunity.
So much for Trumps vision of buy American..

amideislas Jan 22nd 2017 10:05 am

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Originally Posted by Beaverstate (Post 12158126)
Transporting spuds from Idaho cannot be as expensive as transporting Tilapia from China to the US. So called 'fresh' tilapia sells for around $3 per pound here. We only hope they are refrigerated the entire way.

Perhaps. Although I can assure you that a truckload of oranges from Spain would cost significantly less than a truckload of oranges from Florida. Also consider that a truckload of oranges from Spain takes max 2 days to arrive in the UK, whereas (unless using air freight - expensive), it would take about 2 weeks from Florida by sea.

Same with virtually any fresh produce and basic foodstuffs - and any of the stuff Britain can't produce, or can't produce enough of, or can't produce year-round.

But then, food isn't the only import Britain is dependent on...

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