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DaveLovesDee Jan 19th 2017 9:33 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155715)

There is, but once we leave the EU, how far do you think that train will go?

At present, it enters the EU customs union at the Polish border with Lithuania. If the UK leaves the customs union, it will be a little more difficult, I suspect.

InVinoVeritas Jan 19th 2017 9:37 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12155775)
No free trade agreement could mean tarrifs and a boatload of regulations that UK companies have not had for decades.
Welcome to the new world outside of the EU.
The only thing that has been stopping the UK increasing its global trade is the British.
If yiu do not have want your customer wants to buy at a price they are prepared to pay then they will go rlsewhere.
We are not China , India , S Korea. we are an importer not a nett exporter.

I think the main thing holding back the UK is illiteracy :lol:

mikelincs Jan 19th 2017 9:39 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas (Post 12155781)
I think the main thing holding back the UK is illiteracy :lol:

oar knowing how to use a spell chequer

Annetje Jan 19th 2017 9:41 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12155636)
No, that's too nice. We'll send a flotilla of rowing boats, led by Redgrave and Pinsent to 'rescue' all the Brits in Brussels.

Then they'll row back across the channel to great fanfare and the view of some old Spitfires and Hercules planes flying back to drop bombs on Merkel.

Then we'll go and take India back, then Australia and New Zealand, then we'll take Hong Kong.

Oh god. Could you imagine Dick's excitement at that.

OUPS, I read this and thought it WAS a Dick quote ...

Bipat Jan 19th 2017 9:43 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12155768)
Well, trade in goods will likely not change much. The UK is all but entirely dependent on European imports, and British exports to Europe, while constituting nearly half of UK goods exports, constitutes only a small part of EU imports, so there's not any real dependency on Britain, nor is trade with Britain any real threat. So, goods trade will likely continue with or without an agreement.

The problem for the UK is services, which constitutes nearly 80% of the economy. Trade in services is rarely included in any "free trade" agreement. Certainly isn't part of the EU's agreement with Canada. And not in WTO rules.

Even with a services trade agreement, about 70% of the UK's services GDP is in non-exportable public services such as the NHS.

In the current arrangement, nearly 15% of the UK's GDP is generated through services trade conducted with the EU. The UK needs to find a replacement for that.. And quickly...

There's also the passporting issue, which is under the heading of "financial services". Trillions in euro-denominated trade between the EU and the rest of the world streams through London, daily. And it's taxable. There needs to be a replacement for that, too.

A very old link but example of deal pre-Brexit. So why not better deals post-Brexit?
Note more investment in UK than EU countries combined.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...ter-modi-visit

Fredbargate Jan 19th 2017 9:57 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155743)
Why would we not continue to trade with those countries members of the EU? Along with free trade with other countries not members of the EU

One misconception is that the UK had free trade with the EU

To enjoy that free trade we had to pay £billions in club membership + accept that we could not sign a trade agreement without 27 other agreements + interference in our politics, judicial system etc.etc.

Those £billions also subsidised other members to compete with us.

Free trade my asshole

InVinoVeritas Jan 19th 2017 10:05 am

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12155798)
One misconception is that the UK had free trade with the EU

To enjoy that free trade we had to pay £billions in club membership + accept that we could not sign a trade agreement without 27 other agreements + interference in our politics, judicial system etc.etc.

Those £billions also subsidised other members to compete with us.

Free trade my asshole

Good point, Fred!

EMR Jan 19th 2017 10:12 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12155798)
One misconception is that the UK had free trade with the EU

To enjoy that free trade we had to pay £billions in club membership + accept that we could not sign a trade agreement without 27 other agreements + interference in our politics, judicial system etc.etc.

Those £billions also subsidised other members to compete with us.



Free trade my asshole



Only someone in you position in life would have such a narrow minded view point.
Tell that to the few 100s thousands in the UK who are employed by foreign owned companies who chose the UK because of free access to the rest if the EU.
Tell that to the 100,s thousands employed by UK owned companies who trade with the EU.
Tell that to the 90% in Gib who voted to stay because EU membership gives Gib access to the EU.
Tell that to the UK transport companies who shuttle backward and forward 24 hrs day ,365 days year with few if any restrictions.

I know who they will say is taliking out of his rear orifice.

DaveLovesDee Jan 19th 2017 10:33 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12155798)
One misconception is that the UK had free trade with the EU

To enjoy that free trade we had to pay £billions in club membership + accept that we could not sign a trade agreement without 27 other agreements + interference in our politics, judicial system etc.etc.

Those £billions also subsidised other members to compete with us.

Free trade my asshole

Two students are accepted to University. One is the child of rich parents and is paying full fees. The other is on a scholarship funded by the University

Each has to abide by the rules of the University, but there's no expulsion. The rich kid asks for (and gets) special treatment (a rebate on part of his fees, opt-outs from certain classes, etc), yet is still disruptive. The rich kid tells his family that the nasty University is the fault of issues they're having at home, and the family has a meeting in which 52% of the family tell him to leave.

The University knows the result of the family meeting, but the rich kid decides he's not going to give his notice to them yet. He wants a better deal than he currently has once he leaves. The University says no.

or we could look at it another way.

I have a contract with a satellite TV provider. I'm going to cancel it but tell them I want to keep watching the channels I get now, but for free? What are my chances?

DigitalGhost Jan 19th 2017 10:40 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12155820)
Two students are accepted to University. One is the child of rich parents and is paying full fees. The other is on a scholarship funded by the University

Each has to abide by the rules of the University, but there's no expulsion. The rich kid asks for (and gets) special treatment (a rebate on part of his fees, opt-outs from certain classes, etc), yet is still disruptive. The rich kid tells his family that the nasty University is the fault of issues they're having at home, and the family has a meeting in which 52% of the family tell him to leave.

The University knows the result of the family meeting, but the rich kid decides he's not going to give his notice to them yet. He wants a better deal than he currently has once he leaves. The University says no.

or we could look at it another way.

I have a contract with a satellite TV provider. I'm going to cancel it but tell them I want to keep watching the channels I get now, but for free? What are my chances?

I understand and generally agree with what you are saying however Fred's point was still valid. A lot of talk went around before and shortly after the referendum about EU money being poured into Britain.

The reality is that there is no such thing as EU money. The EU doesn't produce money out of thin air. The majority of that money was rebates from what Britain had already paid in.

The key question is did Britain get more out of the EU than it put into it, both financially and otherwise? I personally don't feel that it did however I'm sure that you would disagree.

amideislas Jan 19th 2017 10:51 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12155820)

I have a contract with a satellite TV provider. I'm going to cancel it but tell them I want to keep watching the channels I get now, but for free? What are my chances?

This rather illustrates that very perception from the European perspective.


When someone wants the impossible, in French we say that they want “the butter, the money from the butter, and the dairymaid’s smile”. In more vulgar usage we say they want something rather more from the dairymaid than a smile. This is precisely what we can take away from Theresa May’s speech on the “hard Brexit” she wants. It is “hard” only for the other 27 states but “soft” for Britain – because May wants to keep all the benefits of EU membership and concede nothing in return. That is not really a surprise since she had already announced it in October during the Conservative party conference.

She even considers that any other kind of agreement would be unacceptable, because it would amount to “punishing” the British.
In Europe we see only one loser from Brexit – and it won’t be us

DigitalGhost Jan 19th 2017 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12155834)
This rather illustrates that very perception from the European perspective.

In Europe we see only one loser from Brexit – and it won’t be us

I see you opted for a completely neutral news source there. ;)

Red Eric Jan 19th 2017 10:58 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155737)
Many people on both sides are saying many things! (I don't have any special insight).

As one of the foremost proponents on here of the idea that there's a whole world beyond the EU (some of which comprises the resto of Europe), I thought you might have an idea as to why, before the referendum and right up until now, that world was available for free trade and now that the chips are down that world has suddenly disappeared. It's now our deal with the EU or we'll turn into a tax haven.

I find it inexplicable but then I didn't vote for that. You did - that's why I thought you might know why the UK couldn't simply walk away with no deal and say "Doesn't matter. Plenty more fish in the sea", rather than issuing a threat. The tune appears to have changed rather drastically (but not unpredictably, it has to be acknowledged).

Red Eric Jan 19th 2017 11:00 am

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Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12155746)
...the Rump EU ...

:rofl::rofl:

I think I'll just stick to "The EU" ;)

amideislas Jan 19th 2017 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12155835)
I see you opted for a completely neutral news source there. ;)

It's not news (nor did I claim it to be - YOU did).

It's an editorial (opinion) piece, which reflects the same sentiments expressed by the poster it was in response to.


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