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Scamp Jan 19th 2017 6:57 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas (Post 12155656)
If we add Malaysia to the list then I would get quite excited too :fingerscrossed:

No. Too multicultural, Dick wouldn't like that. There's Muslims, Buddhists, Christians and Hindus all living together nicely...he wouldn't want to take control of such a pleasant place, there wouldn't be enough intolerance and it's too much hassle to try and start the in-fighting.

EMR Jan 19th 2017 7:11 am

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12155505)
Always wondered how long they expected EU to last?

They certainly seem to both trying to destroy it and also through resources at keeping going, very strange.

When did it collapse, nothing in the news , are you suffering from ADS .?

Advanced Dick Syndrome.

Sadly its incurable.

Red Eric Jan 19th 2017 7:17 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12155452)
I see the Brussels bully boys are taking Mays speech rather badly.:lol:

It's come as a nasty shock to them to discover that they not only don't control Europe, but no longer even control the part of Europe they had hoped to utilise to build their great Empire.

Fortunately the U.K. has learned the lessons of European History, in that the only way to deal with power obsessed dictators is to stand firm and call their bluff and it's also good to see other Eu countries now doing likewise.

:thumbup:

What's your reading of Spanish press comment so far Dick? ;)

:shades_smile:

Scamp Jan 19th 2017 7:23 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12155683)
What's your reading of Spanish press comment so far Dick? ;)

:shades_smile:

Silly Red Eric. Unless it says 'OUTRAGE' and 'EU BULLY BOYS' and other such ridiculous things he simply won't (read: can't) read it.

Outrage + Bullshit + Lack of evidence = Dick D's dream article to share.

Bipat Jan 19th 2017 8:07 am

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There is a world beyond Europe!

New Silk Road? 1st China-London freight train arrives


'We need to talk about Boris/Al'.:lol:
Mrs May made a big mistake appointing him as foreign secretary, no gravitas at all. Watched NDTV yesterday he just sat down without even acknowledging PM. Perhaps she thought if 'given enough rope'----?

Red Eric Jan 19th 2017 8:20 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155715)
There is a world beyond Europe!

Can you give us any insight into why May (and Hammond before her) didn't stick to that, instead of saying that if their demands aren't met they'll be turning the UK into the world's biggest tax haven?

Red Eric Jan 19th 2017 8:31 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155715)
'We need to talk about Boris/Al'.:lol:
Mrs May made a big mistake appointing him as foreign secretary, no gravitas at all. Watched NDTV yesterday he just sat down without even acknowledging PM.

He's playing first fiddle to Trump in ushering in the new era of post-diplomacy.

EMR Jan 19th 2017 8:34 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155715)
There is a world beyond Europe!

New Silk Road? 1st China-London freight train arrives


'We need to talk about Boris/Al'.:lol:
Mrs May made a big mistake appointing him as foreign secretary, no gravitas at all. Watched NDTV yesterday he just sat down without even acknowledging PM. Perhaps she thought if 'given enough rope'----?

Yes a world that want to sell to the UK.
The train was full of cheap chinese products for the UK.

We want to sell NOT buy.
We want UK manufacturing jobs, not just those assembling imported components and working in distribution centres.
Over 40% of our trade is with the EU.
That is reality not brexit fantasy.
Would you risk 40% of your income for the unknown .

InVinoVeritas Jan 19th 2017 8:34 am

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12155730)
He's playing first fiddle to Trump in ushering in the new era of post-diplomacy.

Boris is not a team player, nor is Trump...but then Trump doesn't need to be.

amideislas Jan 19th 2017 8:35 am

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What's clear is that unlike the original intention, the UK won't be leaving the EU and maintaining single market membership. So, it's been worded differently:

Now, it's that the UK is leaving, including the single market and customs union in a "clean break", but it intends to forge a comprehensive free trade agreement that facilitates the same trade as single market membership, but without that connotation, nor any of the burdens that go along with that.

Additionally, if the EU decides to "bully" the UK by not agreeing to this, the UK will crush the EU into little pieces by threatening to become a "tax haven". Much like say, Luxembourg or Andorra or... even the Netherlands.

Bipat Jan 19th 2017 8:39 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12155719)
Can you give us any insight into why May (and Hammond before her) didn't stick to that, instead of saying that if their demands aren't met they'll be turning the UK into the world's biggest tax haven?

Many people on both sides are saying many things! (I don't have any special insight).
There will obviously be various and immediate problems, the long term outcome for all involved UK and the EU is what is important.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-not...052812947.html

Notice the words "ALL along", "SOME pain".
(Although she skillfully sidestepped the question "were you wrong in the past"!)

Bipat Jan 19th 2017 8:44 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12155733)
Yes a world that want to sell to the UK.
The train was full of cheap chinese products for the UK.

We want to sell NOT buy.
We want UK manufacturing jobs, not just those assembling imported components and working in distribution centres.
Over 40% of our trade is with the EU.
That is reality not brexit fantasy.
Would you risk 40% of your income for the unknown .

Why would we not continue to trade with those countries members of the EU? Along with free trade with other countries not members of the EU

Garbatellamike Jan 19th 2017 8:56 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155743)
Why would we not continue to trade with those countries members of the EU? Along with free trade with other countries not members of the EU

:goodpost: exactly right - the idea that all of our trade with our European neighbours stops immediately is patently ridiculous - it is not in the interests of a Brexited UK or the Rump EU and is the least likely thing to happen.....

amideislas Jan 19th 2017 9:13 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155743)
Why would we not continue to trade with those countries members of the EU? Along with free trade with other countries not members of the EU

Well, trade in goods will likely not change much. The UK is all but entirely dependent on European imports, and British exports to Europe, while constituting nearly half of UK goods exports, constitutes only a small part of EU imports, so there's not any real dependency on Britain, nor is trade with Britain any real threat. So, goods trade will likely continue with or without an agreement.

The problem for the UK is services, which constitutes nearly 80% of the economy. Trade in services is rarely included in any "free trade" agreement. Certainly isn't part of the EU's agreement with Canada. And not in WTO rules.

Even with a services trade agreement, about 70% of the UK's services GDP is in non-exportable public services such as the NHS.

In the current arrangement, nearly 15% of the UK's GDP is generated through services trade conducted with the EU. The UK needs to find a replacement for that.. And quickly...

There's also the passporting issue, which is under the heading of "financial services". Trillions in euro-denominated trade between the EU and the rest of the world streams through London, daily. And it's taxable. There needs to be a replacement for that, too.

EMR Jan 19th 2017 9:26 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12155743)
Why would we not continue to trade with those countries members of the EU? Along with free trade with other countries not members of the EU

No free trade agreement could mean tarrifs and a boatload of regulations that UK companies have not had for decades.
Welcome to the new world outside of the EU.
The only thing that has been stopping the UK increasing its global trade is the British.
If yiu do not have want your customer wants to buy at a price they are prepared to pay then they will go rlsewhere.
We are not China , India , S Korea. we are an importer not a nett exporter.


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