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Red Eric Jan 14th 2017 5:01 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12151726)
Surely this can't be the same Ryanair as the one who said it was leaving if we voted Brexit ? :confused:


Ryanair plans nine new routes in a bid to boost passenger numbers to 20M | This is Money

I think it probably is, yes : Ryanair denies Brexit backtracking as it expands London operations

Despite the development, chief commercial officer David O'Brien said:

"Brexit hasn't happened. And if we're to wait around until some clear thinking emerges, we wouldn't do anything."

O'Brien revealed that Ryanair has taken the "prudent" decision to only expand UK capacity by 7% this year, down from 15% in 2016.

MAG has stressed that Stansted itself hasn't suffered from the Brexit decision as yet.

scrubbedexpat099 Jan 14th 2017 5:04 pm

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Dutch minister urges free movement reform
Lodewijk Asscher also wants to force the UK to get tough on tax avoidance.
By EMMET LIVINGSTONE 1/14/17, 4:26 PM CET
Dutch Deputy Prime Minister Lodewijk Asscher has said that the European Union’s commitment to freedom of movement needs urgent reform to curb immigration and wage depression.

Free movement of people is the most controversial of the EU’s so-called four freedoms, which also guarantee free movement of goods, services and capital. Euroskeptics resent the inability to limit EU immigration and dislike of the policy contributed to British voters’ decision to leave the bloc.

Asscher told the BBC that free movement had led to cheap, imported labor undercutting workers’ wages. He added that the Brexit vote was a golden opportunity to change the rules.

“In essence [what] we have seen happening [is] that free movement has become synonymous with a race to the bottom, with undercutting of wages, with unfair competition in the labor market and that has to do with the rules Europe has produced itself,” Asscher said.

“On the scaffolding [site] you can see a Romanian or Portuguese painter doing the exact same work as a Dutch painter right next to him that is allowed to earn two, three, four hundred euros less than the Dutch worker,” he added, referring to EU rules allowing companies to temporarily send workers to other countries without having to comply with local social-security obligations.

Red Eric Jan 14th 2017 5:12 pm

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And for comment on a matter other than immigration from Mr Asscher :

Netherlands 'will block UK-EU deal without tax avoidance measures'



The Netherlands will block any EU trade deal with the UK unless it signs up to tough tax avoidance regulations preventing it from becoming an attractive offshore haven for multinationals and the rich, the deputy prime minister of the country has said.

Dick Dasterdly Jan 14th 2017 9:42 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12151898)
And for comment on a matter other than immigration from Mr Asscher :

Netherlands 'will block UK-EU deal without tax avoidance measures'

More threats and blackmail ?
Not worked very well so far, has it Eric ?
At the end of the day the Dutch like everyone else will realise which side of their bread is buttered.

:cool:

Red Eric Jan 14th 2017 9:47 pm

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They already have. And they have power to veto any future trade deal with the UK if they see it as against the EU's or their own interests. So do each and every one of the other 26 remaining members.

Former Lancastrian Jan 14th 2017 10:00 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12152016)
They already have. And they have power to veto any future trade deal with the UK if they see it as against the EU's or their own interests. So do each and every one of the other 26 remaining members.

When you break it down it becomes rather interesting when you put who need who more if people look at it that way.
So lets start with the Dutch.
Britain exports approx 34. 2 billion worth of goods to them but imports 50.7 billion from them. Thats a lot of cheese and beer :lol:
OEC - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners

So the UK appears to import more from certain EU countries than exporting to them.

DaveLovesDee Jan 14th 2017 10:15 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12152023)
When you break it down it becomes rather interesting when you put who need who more if people look at it that way.
So lets start with the Dutch.
Britain exports approx 34. 2 billion worth of goods to them but imports 50.7 billion from them. Thats a lot of cheese and beer :lol:
OEC - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners

So the UK appears to import more from certain EU countries than exporting to them.

How much of what is counted as exports to the Netherlands goes to ports such as Rotterdam for onward export to non-EU countries?

And what do we export to the Netherlands that they could'nt get from other EU countries post-Brexit. Consider that some UK suppliers may move to another EU country to remain in the single market.

Former Lancastrian Jan 14th 2017 10:42 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12152027)
How much of what is counted as exports to the Netherlands goes to ports such as Rotterdam for onward export to non-EU countries?

And what do we export to the Netherlands that they could'nt get from other EU countries post-Brexit. Consider that some UK suppliers may move to another EU country to remain in the single market.

I don't believe it works that way re exports being forwarded on though I could be wrong. If the UK sold a piece of machinery say worth 5 million to the USA but shipped from Rotterdam I think it would be counted as an export to the USA not the Netherlands.
Perhaps Cornish pasties might become a bit of a problem;)

DaveLovesDee Jan 14th 2017 10:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12152044)
I don't believe it works that way re exports being forwarded on though I could be wrong. If the UK sold a piece of machinery say worth 5 million to the USA but shipped from Rotterdam I think it would be counted as an export to the USA not the Netherlands.
Perhaps Cornish pasties might become a bit of a problem;)

It could be counted that way if the US company ordered a product from a Dutch company, and the Dutch company ordered some of the stuff from a supplier in the UK.

Rotterdam Effect

EMR Jan 14th 2017 11:00 pm

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The last set of figures I can find are from the HMRC for november 2016.
These show a widening of the overall trade gap with 3 of our top 5 trade partners being fellow EU members the other two the US and China
Trade with China imports and exports fell.
Manufacturing also fell but Automotive industry thanks to our foreign owned car industry sales to the EU rose.
The value of oil exports also rose in line with global oil price.
Make of these figures what you will but one thing is obvious only a government of idiots will put at risk the relationship with have with the major EU economies.

Former Lancastrian Jan 14th 2017 11:56 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12152046)
It could be counted that way if the US company ordered a product from a Dutch company, and the Dutch company ordered some of the stuff from a supplier in the UK.

Rotterdam Effect

True it could be done that way.
Now if the UK leaves the EU how will it effect our traditional British foods?
the Dutch won't be able to sell us Cornish pasties and Melton Mowbray pork pies

Protected Designation of Origin (PDO): this designation covers products that are "produced, processed and prepared" in a specific area, using a particular, usually traditional, method.[2]
Protected Geographical Indication (PGI): this designation covers products whose "production, processing or preparation" takes places in a specific area.[2]
Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG): this designation covers products with a "traditional character" or "customary names", distinguishing them from similar products. Unlike PDO and PGI, these products do not need to be connected to a specific area or method of production.[2][4] In order to be considered for TSG status, a product must demonstrate that the materials and methods used in its production has been consistent for a minimum of 30 years.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...otected_status

DaveLovesDee Jan 15th 2017 3:24 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12152081)
True it could be done that way.
Now if the UK leaves the EU how will it effect our traditional British foods?
the Dutch won't be able to sell us Cornish pasties and Melton Mowbray pork pies

Protected Designation of Origin (PDO): this designation covers products that are "produced, processed and prepared" in a specific area, using a particular, usually traditional, method.[2]
Protected Geographical Indication (PGI): this designation covers products whose "production, processing or preparation" takes places in a specific area.[2]
Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG): this designation covers products with a "traditional character" or "customary names", distinguishing them from similar products. Unlike PDO and PGI, these products do not need to be connected to a specific area or method of production.[2][4] In order to be considered for TSG status, a product must demonstrate that the materials and methods used in its production has been consistent for a minimum of 30 years.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...otected_status

If we become no longer EU members, do those protections for Cornish pasties and MM pork pies still apply?

Scamp Jan 15th 2017 4:14 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149885)
Yes but none of that is down to any sort of major free trade agreement or pact. It is just because China is the factory for almost the entire globe these days.

I think the struggle in an agreement may be because we (Europe) need Chinese products more than they need our £/Euros.


Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12150203)
Bingo. I think they would all gold plate their own bollocks if there was a place in Knightsbridge willing to perform the surgery for them.

I've actually asked a few people about that and apparently they don't mind all that much. To them it is supposedly worth the additional cost.

The coach-loads of Chinese at places like Bicester buying discounted high end products is because it just doesn't matter the price, they'll sell them on for a fortune back home either to people who want them or people who want to copy them.


Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12150492)
If idiots like this total nutter and Brit hater, Guy Verhofstadt, are part of the Eu negotiating team there is little point in wasting time even trying to come to terms.

We need to get out of the obnoxious crock of shite disfunctional shambles of an organisation ASAP and leave them to wallow in their own self made cesspit.

Guy Verhofstadt, who is among seven candidates to replace Martin Schulz as president of the European Parliament, said he would draw a “red line” over negotiations with Theresa May and her Brexit ministers.

Speaking in Brussels tonight, he said he would do anything to prevent Britain being “better out than in”.

Sigh. More useless waffle. You're like the Daily Express but in semi-human form; 'shambles', 'cesspit', 'nutter', 'Brit hater'. I mean, it's all just useless idiocy isn't it Dick? Nothing really here of any interest, just your nasty opinion tacked on to a very closed quote.

The EU is a 20 trillion dollar politico-economic union which is trying to be held to ransom by a tiny little island which didn't want to be part of the Euro and now wants out....but by comparison, has a GDP of 2.8 trillion.

We aren't the big swinging dick in this, Dick. The EU is the big boy and people like you, Vexcore and others thinking we can waltz over to Brussels, stick two fingers up, kick over some chairs, call Juncker a **** and leave are completely, utterly and totally misguided.



Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12151175)
I can never understand, from what I've read of her writings and from what I've heard and seen of her on broadcast news, quite why it is that her detractors can't just talk about what Nicola Sturgeon says instead of launching into false accusations about her demeanour (always reliably cool and collected from what I've witnessed) or, worse still, her looks or her stature.

She's not got any purpose to serve and nor does the party she represents. In reality, they've taken space from Labour, lost a referendum, shouted for another and....well...nothing. Her divisive immediate Brexit reaction speech for a second referendum was really poorly judged and she's backing out of it now because it's apparently very unpopular.

Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish independence vote 'highly likely'
24 June 2016


Nicola Sturgeon: Second independence referendum 'off the table' in event of soft Brexit
6 JANUARY 2017


I wonder if this has anything to do with the possible u-turn -


She has claimed repeatedly since the Brexit vote last year that a new vote on breaking up Britain is “highly likely”..........while a recent opinion poll found that just over 61 per cent of Scots were opposed to an early independence vote.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12151308)
I love Mexican/Spanish insults. Puto, pendejo, cabron. They roll off the tongue beautifully.

Special mention goes to the Slavic 'kurwa', Russian 'cyka' and Finnish 'perkele' as well. But I might just spend too much time on Polanball ... :unsure:

My mate worked for a local firm here and their engineering division (think vehicle / plant workshops) was heavily Indian, with a few other nationalities. Some of the wonderful insults banned on email included (direct quotes from a list I have): "**** your Auntie in her mouth", "Your sister was ****ed by a ketchup bottle", "your mother loves elephant cock in her mouth and anus"....etc

Honestly, one of the greatest lists I've ever seen.


Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12151723)
I agree and it's not just in this thread. For those who wish to discuss India please open a new thread as further posts in this and other threads will be deleted. Thank you.

:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

Hallelujah.

Wintersong Jan 15th 2017 7:00 am

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12152167)
My mate worked for a local firm here and their engineering division (think vehicle / plant workshops) was heavily Indian, with a few other nationalities. Some of the wonderful insults banned on email included (direct quotes from a list I have): "**** your Auntie in her mouth", "Your sister was ****ed by a ketchup bottle", "your mother loves elephant cock in her mouth and anus"....etc

When I first moved over here, hubby and I spent a lot of time socialising with a group of friends known colloquially as the 'banchods'.

Direct translation: sister ****ers

Said group was comprised almost 50/50 women & men.

Red Eric Jan 15th 2017 7:34 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12151175)
I can never understand, from what I've read of her writings and from what I've heard and seen of her on broadcast news, quite why it is that her detractors can't just talk about what Nicola Sturgeon says instead of launching into false accusations about her demeanour (always reliably cool and collected from what I've witnessed) or, worse still, her looks or her stature.


Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12152167)
She's not got any purpose to serve and nor does the party she represents. In reality, they've taken space from Labour, lost a referendum, shouted for another and....well...nothing. Her divisive immediate Brexit reaction speech for a second referendum was really poorly judged and she's backing out of it now because it's apparently very unpopular.

Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish independence vote 'highly likely'
24 June 2016


Nicola Sturgeon: Second independence referendum 'off the table' in event of soft Brexit
6 JANUARY 2017


I wonder if this has anything to do with the possible u-turn -

She has claimed repeatedly since the Brexit vote last year that a new vote on breaking up Britain is “highly likely”..........while a recent opinion poll found that just over 61 per cent of Scots were opposed to an early independence vote.

I think what she said on each occasion was a lot more nuanced than the headlines have it. The preparation of legislation for a possible 2nd referendum in advance of one being called seems to me a sensible precaution and is obviously a perfectly legitimate move in terms of reminding the PM that Scotland still has the power to determine its own future should it be considered necessary.

As for the "u-turn", it comes with some pretty hefty provisos going by that Telegraph article, doesn't it? Either the UK as a whole to remain a member of the single market or a separate agreement for Scotland alone and possibly devolved powers on immigration.

And those quotes in the Telegraph and the BBC links plus the BBC video illustrate my point about her perfectly - there is no anger or petulance or hysterical ranting or foot-stamping or whatever other lurid descriptions are so frequently used to describe her manner. It's all carefully considered, articulate and delivered with complete control.


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