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GeniB Jan 12th 2017 11:14 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149863)
It was just the area now the State of Goa. OH's community originally from Kashmir lived there, fled during the Inquisition and the forced conversions, libraries and documents burned--yes they had libraries Morpeth!

As I said above Portugal remained good to those who became Christians and accepted those who registered, as Portuguese citizens and still do.

Now the coastal strip is developed as a tourist area with plenty of British expats settled there.


It's a place i have always wanted to visit. The pictures of the fishing boats and the coastal areas do look beautiful.The hairy bikers (British Chefs) did a programme from there cooking fish on the beach.. looked delicious.

GeniB Jan 12th 2017 11:18 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149855)
I have tried to correct misinformation regarding India because it is 'home', just as those expats in USA frequently mention USA and even start threads!

Portugal was very good to the people of Goa, they gave Portuguese citizenship to all who paid the price by converting to Christianity and that still applies to those who registered their children at birth as Portuguese.

(Won't go into what they did to those who refused to convert!)

Unfortunately for UK, the chief politician they got from Goa was Keith Vaz:lol:

Don't worry the Catholics burn't and tortured a lot of people at this end too :eek:
ain't religion grand

DigitalGhost Jan 12th 2017 11:28 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149868)
We don't have to leave, as you know we have plenty of trade agreements outside of the EU, but free trade agreements will happen post Brexit and obviously Commonwealth countries that we have links with will be important.

The problem is that the EU is totally arse backwards when it comes to that area. It has taken them a decade to agree a trade pact with Canada and Canada is a relatively small and friendly first-world country.

If it takes them a decade to manage something like that then how long would it take them to agree a comprehensive trade deal with a country like China?

Scamp Jan 12th 2017 11:46 am

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149877)
The problem is that the EU is totally arse backwards when it comes to that area. It has taken them a decade to agree a trade pact with Canada and Canada is a relatively small and friendly first-world country.

If it takes them a decade to manage something like that then how long would it take them to agree a comprehensive trade deal with a country like China?

The EU is China's largest trading partner.

DigitalGhost Jan 12th 2017 11:52 am

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Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12149882)
The EU is China's largest trading partner.

Yes but none of that is down to any sort of major free trade agreement or pact. It is just because China is the factory for almost the entire globe these days.

Red Eric Jan 12th 2017 12:10 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149868)
We don't have to leave, as you know we have plenty of trade agreements outside of the EU, but free trade agreements will happen post Brexit and obviously Commonwealth countries that we have links with will be important.

Are you sure about that?

Red Eric Jan 12th 2017 12:15 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149877)
The problem is that the EU is totally arse backwards when it comes to that area. It has taken them a decade to agree a trade pact with Canada and Canada is a relatively small and friendly first-world country.

If it takes them a decade to manage something like that then how long would it take them to agree a comprehensive trade deal with a country like China?

It took a decade for the two sides to come to a mutually acceptable agreement. Was that unusual for a deal of that complexity and if it was, was that the EU's "fault"?

Red Eric Jan 12th 2017 12:20 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149857)
Very, very good question. Portugal are far more tied into the EU mantra than the UK has ever been or will ever be and is also a far less important economy on the global and EU stage.

They're not "tied in to the EU's mantra". They are a full member, they comply with their obligations, they participate in the formation of policy and they address any differences or misgivings they have diplomatically and with a great deal of success.

DaveLovesDee Jan 12th 2017 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149857)
Very, very good question. Portugal are far more tied into the EU mantra than the UK has ever been or will ever be and is also a far less important economy on the global and EU stage.

The Leave campaign insisted we had to leave the EU to make trade agreements like Portugal are doing. Either they lied, or Portugal is doing something they shouldn't be. Which is it?

And as Eric said, you're wrong about Portugal.


Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149868)
We don't have to leave, as you know we have plenty of trade agreements outside of the EU, but free trade agreements will happen post Brexit and obviously Commonwealth countries that we have links with will be important.

But free trade agreements take time to be negotiated and signed, unless one side is incompetent and gives away the family silver in return from a handful of 'magic beans'. Especially as we have very few Civil Service negotiators, and would need more.


Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12149885)
Yes but none of that is down to any sort of major free trade agreement or pact. It is just because China is the factory for almost the entire globe these days.

In which case, what do we make cheaper or better than China, that we can sell to these countries we're planning free trade agreements?

DaveLovesDee Jan 12th 2017 12:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12149900)
It took a decade for the two sides to come to a mutually acceptable agreement. Was that unusual for a deal of that complexity and if it was, was that the EU's "fault"?

Agreements get complicated because literally almost everything gets specified in detail so there's no misunderstandings, such as nuts and bolts being in millimeters or inches depending on the receiving country. Also, products sold in the EU to EU standards should usually have the CE mark. Here is the Canadian government page on the CE mark for Canadian exporters.

EMR Jan 12th 2017 3:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149868)
We don't have to leave, as you know we have plenty of trade agreements outside of the EU, but free trade agreements will happen post Brexit and obviously Commonwealth countries that we have links with will be important.

What matters and the only thing that matters are not past relationships but will any trade deals be at least of equal benefit to the UK matching that we have with the EU.
Headlines just for headlines sake will be a waste of time..

EMR Jan 12th 2017 4:00 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12149863)
It was just the area now the State of Goa. OH's community originally from Kashmir lived there, fled during the Inquisition and the forced conversions, libraries and documents burned--yes they had libraries Morpeth!

As I said above Portugal remained good to those who became Christians and accepted those who registered, as Portuguese citizens and still do.

Now the coastal strip is developed as a tourist area with plenty of British expats settled there.

The inquisition ended in 1812, not yesterday and Goa became part of India in the 1960s.
Some people do like to live in the past.

DigitalGhost Jan 12th 2017 4:19 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12149915)
In which case, what do we make cheaper or better than China, that we can sell to these countries we're planning free trade agreements?

Hopefully a lot. Look at how many Rollers get exported to HK for instance. They're the biggest purchaser of them in the world I believe.

You'll probably find that the wealthy Chinese would be among the ones buying made in Britain products. The success of the iPhone there and the Chinese backhanded attempts to quash it didn't just appear from nowhere.

EMR Jan 12th 2017 4:27 pm

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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12150106)
Hopefully a lot. Look at how many Rollers get exported to HK for instance. They're the biggest purchaser of them in the world I believe.

You'll probably find that the wealthy Chinese would be among the ones buying made in Britain products. The success of the iPhone there and the Chinese backhanded attempts to quash it didn't just appear from nowhere.

You are aware that Apple has huge investments in production in China.
Just because there us a UK brand does not meant its made in the UK.
But increased sales of premium clothes brands would be good news for the sweatshops in Bangladesh etc.

DigitalGhost Jan 12th 2017 4:30 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12150113)
You are aware that Apple has huge investments in production in China.
Just because there us a UK brand does not meant its made in the UK.
But increased sales of premium clothes brands would be good news for the sweatshops in Bangladesh etc.

Lower end/cheaper British products are obviously made in China these days. Same goes for similar products from American, French, Japanese brands etc. I was referring more to high end cars and custom designed products though.


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