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amideislas Jul 7th 2016 11:16 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11996867)
Will become a federal state is important isn't it? Why wait until it happens?

The political decisions of all generations have an influence on future generations whether for good or bad.
Not sure what you mean by "other cultures"?

We divide our time between two countries, so where we end up permanently will depend where we are when either of us 'kicks the bucket'.

I have plans for 'Dignitas' rather than a nursing home. I wouldn't want them to use all the cash on that.

Now there is a good idea for a new thread, Euthanasia or not for the old!:lol:

Erm, in case you didn't know, the UK has opt-outs from becoming any part of any so-called "superstate", "federal republic" or anything remotely resembling "political union", does not want, and never will be part of it. As a matter of treaty.

And ironically, a federal Europe representing the world's first or second largest economy, with an inherent soft spot for British interests eager for free trade with us would be about the single best trading partner we could dream of.

But we fear that, so we voted to cut and run.

DaveLovesDee Jul 7th 2016 11:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11996867)
We divide our time between two countries, so where we end up permanently will depend where we are when either of us 'kicks the bucket'.

I have plans for 'Dignitas' rather than a nursing home. I wouldn't want them to use all the cash on that.

But Dignitas would be your decision, not a decision made for you by your parents and grandparents.

After all, they know what's best for future generations. Maybe we can start a petition that everyone is forcibly terminated at retirement age. Our parents will thank us for it.

Wol Jul 7th 2016 11:52 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11996501)
I don't know much about the Australian system, but this seems to indicate that the difference isn't what you think it is.

‘Australian-Style’ Points System Leads To Higher Immigration Than In UK


"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results - Winston Churchill"

There is a slight difference in the land area, even allowing for the uninhabitable bits.

Fact (as EMR would say. Again and again.

Wol Jul 7th 2016 11:57 pm

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amideislas:

>>Erm, in case you didn't know, the UK has opt-outs from becoming any part of any so-called "superstate", "federal republic" or anything remotely resembling "political union", does not want, and never will be part of it. As a matter of treaty.<<

Every treaty that the common market et al has signed has ratchetted up the progress towards a fully federal EU, so treaties are not the be all and end all by a long shot.

And it doesn't make any sense to have countries with opt outs - no "club" can survive with every member having different agreements - it's a nonsense.

So with the EU in time, it's either full integration of the military, the currency, the taxation etc etc, or nothing.

The former is the reason that more people voted "out" than "in", certainly among everyone that I know.

SultanOfSwing Jul 8th 2016 3:22 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11996866)
... especially after all the nonsense they've been posting ...

That's an advanced case of pot calling the kettle black there, dear boy.

paulry Jul 8th 2016 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11996846)
They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu...tok%3D9FAvsS2y

It sure does. How many women and children can you count among those people?

amideislas Jul 8th 2016 6:37 am

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Originally Posted by Wol (Post 11996917)
amideislas:

>>Erm, in case you didn't know, the UK has opt-outs from becoming any part of any so-called "superstate", "federal republic" or anything remotely resembling "political union", does not want, and never will be part of it. As a matter of treaty.<<

Every treaty that the common market et al has signed has ratchetted up the progress towards a fully federal EU, so treaties are not the be all and end all by a long shot.

And it doesn't make any sense to have countries with opt outs - no "club" can survive with every member having different agreements - it's a nonsense.

So with the EU in time, it's either full integration of the military, the currency, the taxation etc etc, or nothing.

The former is the reason that more people voted "out" than "in", certainly among everyone that I know.

So why all the fear and loathing? We would have separated ourselves eventually anyway, but after playing a key role in establishing about the best "trading partner" we could ever wish for. And without all the hate and vitriol, without diminishing Britain's economy and influence, and without hurting everyone else in the process.

Not to mention what we've done to our own psyche.

amideislas Jul 8th 2016 6:40 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11997062)
It sure does. How many women and children can you count among those people?

Or "Europeans" . .

Red Eric Jul 8th 2016 6:51 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11996754)
As to obeying the rules the UK were more likely to obey Directives than some other members.

Of course! We always obey the rules, not like those cheating, corrupt countries in the south and the east. That's why, according to the latest information, we are 9th out of the 28 in terms of the number of outstanding infringement proceedings. That means 19 nations are obeying Directives better than the UK is.

JACHA Jul 8th 2016 6:55 am

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Sorry people I am a bit confused. Do you want people who want to move to the UK on a permanent basis that the points system is used. Are you saying that you want to cap all migration to the UK.

GeniB Jul 8th 2016 7:26 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11997068)
So why all the fear and loathing? We would have separated ourselves eventually anyway, but after playing a key role in establishing about the best "trading partner" we could ever wish for. And without all the hate and vitriol, without diminishing Britain's economy and influence, and without hurting everyone else in the process.

Not to mention what we've done to our own psyche.


EGGGSAXCTLY Why? If we have always had all these treaties (that are breakable) all these opt outs,all these special clauses.etc Did we decide that the club we so freely joined. That gave us 'special treatment' that allowed us the best trading deals on the planet' Needed to be vilified publicly.It's senior members humiliated in their own parliament. Shown appalling disrespect in this referendum
In other words given a good kicking . Mr Rutte was right. We are a dishonourable Nation. Our young know that now. :o

paulry Jul 8th 2016 9:07 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11997069)
Or "Europeans" . .

Ah the race card again :rolleyes:

amideislas Jul 8th 2016 9:20 am

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Well, the primary issue was EU immigration, and leaving the EU would supposedly "solve" that.

To illustrate that "threat", a poster depicting thousands of obviously non-european migrants of clearly Muslim origins was issued with the words "breaking point", although if anyone would bother to check, they would find that only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of migrants coming from the EU are Muslim, and that those migrating from the EU are net contributors to the UK.

Furthermore, the data shows that the UK falls pretty low on the migration scale compared to both its EU and global counterparts. As a matter of pure reality, it's hardly "breaking point".

The provacative message was therefore not only completely misleading, but clearly sought to inflame racist fears to gain public support for an otherwise unjustifiable red herring leave agenda.

DaveLovesDee Jul 8th 2016 9:21 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11997137)
Ah the race card again :rolleyes:

http://img.pandawhale.com/103875-chr...-Frid-GSTI.gif

paulry Jul 8th 2016 9:35 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11997140)
Well, the primary issue was EU immigration, and leaving the EU would supposedly "solve" that.

To illustrate that "threat", a poster depicting thousands of obviously non-european migrants of clearly Muslim origins was issued with the words "breaking point", although if anyone would bother to check, they would find that only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of migrants coming from the EU are Muslim, and that those migrating from the EU are net contributors to the UK.

The provacative message was therefore not only completely misleading, but clearly sought to inflame racist fears to gain public support for an otherwise unjustifiable red herring leave agenda.

No, it inflamed remainiacs' race card obsessions. The reminder that that it provided to me was the porous state of the EU border, compliments of Mama Merkel who invited these men in on behalf of all the member states of the EU - without consulting the membership first and then expected them to be spread out across the EU. No red herring there, it is precisely the lack of control of Britains borders that triggered people to vote "Leave". Race hardly, if at all came into it. The race card is the true red herring :thumbdown:


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