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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   Take it Outside! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/)
-   -   Post EU Referendum (https://britishexpats.com/forum/take-outside-67/post-eu-referendum-879308/)

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 1:00 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11982415)
Could anybody be more useless than Cameron has proved himself to be ?
Apparently, the British voting public.

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982484)
It's a bright shiny new day in the UK, everything fresh sunny and clean after the rains. What a perfect day for the UK to wake up to such good news

:cool:

:britflag:
Easy to say from Australia, I suppose. Not like you have to live in the UK when it tries to clean up the mess this will leave.

But congratulations Britain, you've managed to make me feel like an American for the first time in my life.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:21 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 

lutonlad Jun 24th 2016 1:22 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982783)
Not really, no. It's a real question - because usually "elites" means the people who actually hold power in the country, irrespective of the newspapers they read, etc. Far from being at a safe distance, they are the ones running the banks, international industry, and government.

So unless you think that these people are not going to be the ones determining both the terms of our exit and how our economy will be run (as they always have), I'm at a loss as to how improving the lives of "ordinary people" is suddenly going to be made a priority. And I'm as ordinary as they come.
Just for the record. I could have easily voted Remain if Cameron had convinced me that he struck a hard bargain and brought back something tangible.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:27 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982848)
Just for the record. I could have easily voted Remain if Cameron had convinced me that he struck a hard bargain and brought back something tangible.
I understand that and don't disagree with you.

It's this idea that somehow these "elites" will vanish and no longer control our lives, our economy, and our political destiny that just appears false. Why on earth would anyone believe that? Has there been any evidence of it? It's the exact same group of people who are in charge post referendum as it was pre-referendum. And it will stay that way. Frankly, I think a large part of the UK population has simply been bamboozled.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 1:40 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982857)
Frankly, I think a large part of the UK population has simply been bamboozled.
What would make you say that?

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/pix/...er-montage.jpg

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 1:43 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982876)
Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:52 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982876)
Oh, just an idea.

Maybe I couldn't see clearly over the top of my champagne flute?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 1:53 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982880)
Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.
We'll likely keep freedom of movement anyway, to a large extent, so that we can trade with the EU bloc. Poor old Nige is still going to have his traffic jams.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 1:56 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982751)
Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982746)
It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.
People keep using the term "elites" - who exactly are these people? Specifically I mean.
I don't know for sure (and perhaps I'm just being superior again) but I suspect he might have been making reference to me with the "elitist Guardianistas", "smug hypocrisy" and, on another post "pseudo socialists".

I love the balance of trade of insults on here. It's in my favour as I get out so much more than I ever put in - a nett beneficiary, as it were.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 2:03 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982899)
We'll likely keep freedom of movement anyway, to a large extent, so that we can trade with the EU bloc. Poor old Nige is still going to have his traffic jams.
The traffic jams were never to do with the EU anyway. Even if net migration was 1,000,000, which I doubt it was, 2% of the population are not causing overcrowded roads. Immigrants don't just leave customs and go right to the used car lot; Flange is a bloody idiot.

Also, net migration includes all countries. Even without free movement, there are 169 countries outside of the EU that could still potentially contribute to that. Jesus.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:05 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982915)
The traffic jams were never to do with the EU anyway. Even if net migration was 1,000,000, which I doubt it was, 2% of the population are not causing overcrowded roads. Immigrants don't just leave customs and go right to the used car lot; Flange is a bloody idiot.

Also, net migration includes all countries. Even without free movement, there are 169 countries outside of the EU that could still potentially contribute to that. Jesus.
Well you know that.

And I know that.

But just over half of the UK succumbed to mass hysteria pushed out by some very objectionable people.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 2:08 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982919)
Well you know that.

And I know that.

But just over half of the UK succumbed to mass hysteria pushed out by some very objectionable people.
This is not the UK I left, nor is it the one you left. It's more foreign to me now than the US ever was, in reflection. I'm quite irrationally sad today, made to feel this way by the country of my birth.

NI voted to stay in though, I suppose I have that grain of hope. For what it is.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 2:09 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982880)
Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.
Well, the immigration argument was just a red herring anyway. I have to suspect that deregulation of the UK's single most powerful business sector has more than just a minor influence here (well, London's largest sector, which is effectively the single most prominent offering the UK has in the global market moving forward)

Nonetheless, the UK will survive, even if this truly marks the final end to the "empire", and renders a more realistic and proportional global "footprint" than it's historically held.

I really hope the UK can now focus on itself and get out of Europe altogether, rather than spending so much energy fearing and inhibiting Europe. But we won't be leaving anytime soon, so that's probably wishful thinking.

We shall see.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 2:11 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982757)
It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.
I look forward to having a discussion about that once the new non-elite politicians have revealed the plans they've been preparing for improving the rights and incomes of hard working and, indeed, non-working or otherwise vulnerable people.

Would you have any idea when we might be able to start talking? - I'll schedule it in my diary.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:13 pm
re: Post EU Referendum
 
Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982930)
I look forward to having a discussion about that once the new non-elite politicians have revealed the plans they've been preparing for improving the rights and incomes of hard working and, indeed, non-working or otherwise vulnerable people.

Would you have any idea when we might be able to start talking? - I'll schedule it in my diary.
I am also looking for this appointment.


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