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amideislas Nov 16th 2016 8:52 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12106939)
That is a good thing. After the Court of Appeal we can get on with it and we will know exactly where our MPs stand on this.

Erm, why not get on with it then? What's the problem? Why didn't May trigger Article 50 straight away? Why not just tell the EU to fark off and walk away? That's what some people voted for. Whats the problem?

And it's not the court of appeal that's delaying it. It's the fact that Britain has no clue what to do now. And there's infighting about it. Nobody has a clue.

Meanwhile, everything's just fine...

Brexit Is a Mess, But the U.K. Economy Keeps Humming Along

To many people, this is a bit like the part in the old “Road Runner” cartoons where Wile E. Coyote walks off a cliff but fails to notice at first. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney told parliament Tuesday that he expects a sharp rise in inflation next year due to the pound’s depreciation since the Brexit vote, with inflation only falling back down to its 2% target in 2020.


A false sense of security, but who cares? We're all right, Jack.

la mancha Nov 16th 2016 8:54 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12106952)
Erm, why not get on with it then? What's the problem? Why didn't May trigger Article 50 straight away? Why not just tell the EU to fark off and walk away? That's what some people voted for. Whats the problem?

And it's not the court of appeal that's delaying it. It's the fact that Britain has no clue what to do now. And there's infighting about it. Nobody has a clue.

Eric just explained that.

la mancha Nov 16th 2016 9:05 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12106952)
Meanwhile, everything's just fine...

Brexit Is a Mess, But the U.K. Economy Keeps Humming Along

To many people, this is a bit like the part in the old “Road Runner” cartoons where Wile E. Coyote walks off a cliff but fails to notice at first. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney told parliament Tuesday that he expects a sharp rise in inflation next year due to the pound’s depreciation since the Brexit vote, with inflation only falling back down to its 2% target in 2020.


A false sense of security, but who cares? We're all right, Jack.

From an ECB report.

Inflation in the Euro Area: ‘For 2017, a significant increase in headline inflation to 1.3% is foreseen, driven to a large extent by upward base effects in the energy component. The declining economic slack is expected to push up inflation somewhat further to 1.6% in 2018.’

Brexititis seems to be catching.

amideislas Nov 16th 2016 9:12 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12106955)
Eric just explained that.

Yeah, but Brexit means Brexit, right? So, why not just do it? Or is there something else Britain wants? Something... impossible, but necessary, maybe? So it requires some time for people who haven't a clue to figure out how to achieve the impossible?

amideislas Nov 16th 2016 9:14 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12106964)
From an ECB report.

Inflation in the Euro Area: ‘For 2017, a significant increase in headline inflation to 1.3% is foreseen, driven to a large extent by upward base effects in the energy component. The declining economic slack is expected to push up inflation somewhat further to 1.6% in 2018.’

Brexititis seems to be catching.

All very nice, but wishing pain on Europe won't solve Britain's elephant in the room. Britain ought to be worrying about its own arse, not hoping we all go down with it.

DaveLovesDee Nov 16th 2016 9:37 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12106891)
You are not getting the point, those involved are needed for their experience of the authentic foreign cuisine involved, not paper qualifications.

But if they're waiters coming to train as chefs, then the work permit was fraudulently applied for. Because you're supposed to be qualified for the job offered.


We are discussing Post Brexit when hopefully the rules are fair and the same for all foreigners and potential immigrants.
We are. And as I said, post-Brexit rules for EU nationals will depend on whether any agreement is made on continuing free movement.

You've mentioned before, recently-relaxed immigration rules between the UK and India for the more wealthy. Is this fair on the less-wealthy? One-size immigration rules are never truly one-size, as special interests will always get changes in their favour.

Bipat Nov 16th 2016 10:45 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12106991)
But if they're waiters coming to train as chefs, then the work permit was fraudulently applied for. Because you're supposed to be qualified for the job offered.

We are. And as I said, post-Brexit rules for EU nationals will depend on whether any agreement is made on continuing free movement.

You've mentioned before, recently-relaxed immigration rules between the UK and India for the more wealthy. Is this fair on the less-wealthy? One-size immigration rules are never truly one-size, as special interests will always get changes in their favour.

Many chefs in the UK are trained on the job without any formal training or paper qualifications. They may well start as waiters to earn money.
Those coming from abroad will come for a variety of jobs in restaurants, including as already experienced chefs.

Minister Priti Patel: Quit EU to save our curry houses | London Evening Standard

What they will all have is lifetime knowledge and experience of cooking the food of their country of origin which will not be the case of local employees.

As regards relaxed visa rules for wealthy Indian people this is a reciprocal change following similar change of visa rules for wealthy British going to India.
As I have said for this particular country the visa regulations have always been reciprocal since India introduced visas in 1980s. Visa rules change frequently.

DaveLovesDee Nov 16th 2016 11:10 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12107025)
Many chefs in the UK are trained on the job without any formal training or paper qualifications. They may well start as waiters to earn money.
Those coming from abroad will come for a variety of jobs in restaurants, including as already experienced chefs.

That used to be the case, but these days you need evidence of qualification to work in reputable catering establishments. And even the less so require food hygiene certificates for employees as these are a requirement of being allowed to trade.

Caterer.com - Coming to work in the UK


Your employer must apply for your work permit. Employers need a sponsor licence to bring workers into the country from outside the EEA. They will be checked out by the UK Border Agency and will have to sign up to certain duties. They shouldn't apply more than six months or less than four weeks before the permit is needed.
The documentation you'll need includes:
A passport issued in your country of origin
Your birth certificate
Proof of your qualifications and references
Copies of any previous work permits
Your entry visa
If a UK restaurant wants a work permit for a chef, the Points-Based System will include assessing whether the person being offered the job. If the company wants a work visa for a waiter, they're less likely to be successful.


Visa rules change frequently.
They do. And UK visitor visa rules vary according to the country the applicant originates from. But work visa rules tend to be much more rigid.

jimenato Nov 17th 2016 7:22 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12106492)
The official Brexit campaign. Read Gisela Stewart --Chair of the campaign.

Yes but that was a pre-referendum 'idea' - and from a group which has no influence whatever post referendum. It has as much chance of getting implemented as the 350 million a week going to the NHS. You might as well forget it.

jimenato Nov 17th 2016 7:33 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12106750)
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Free movement was not a question on the referendum voting paper, but it was a subject repeatedly discussed by the official Brexit campaign.


Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12106772)
It may not have been the question but it was one of the biggest reasons.

This is a commonly held misapprehension by leavers - that they voted for some specific measures such as limitation of FOM. They did not - they ONLY voted to leave the EU - nothing more.

They might THINK they voted for specific measures but as they all voted for DIFFERENT specific measures, there's no point in trying to guess what they all were and accommodate all or any of them.

Leavers are going to have to learn to accept the outcome of the referendum.

Scamp Nov 17th 2016 7:35 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 
I'm heading back to the UK tonight for the weekend.

I'll let you all know how destitute it is.

Bipat Nov 17th 2016 7:53 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12107039)
That used to be the case, but these days you need evidence of qualification to work in reputable catering establishments. And even the less so require food hygiene certificates for employees as these are a requirement of being allowed to trade.

Caterer.com - Coming to work in the UK



If a UK restaurant wants a work permit for a chef, the Points-Based System will include assessing whether the person being offered the job. If the company wants a work visa for a waiter, they're less likely to be successful.



They do. And UK visitor visa rules vary according to the country the applicant originates from. But work visa rules tend to be much more rigid.

So, Priti Patel was correct. I will continue to say if asked ---'your knowledge and experience are not welcome in the UK---only EU citizens needed.

Bipat Nov 17th 2016 7:57 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12107227)
I'm heading back to the UK tonight for the weekend.

I'll let you all know how destitute it is.


Arrived in UK last Friday---everything looks much the same. It's raining.

Heathrow still awful. Mumbai international airport far more efficient and pleasant.

GeniB Nov 17th 2016 8:07 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12107226)
This is a commonly held misapprehension by leavers - that they voted for some specific measures such as limitation of FOM. They did not - they ONLY voted to leave the EU - nothing more.

They might THINK they voted for specific measures but as they all voted for DIFFERENT specific measures, there's no point in trying to guess what they all were and accommodate all or any of them.

Leavers are going to have to learn to accept the outcome of the referendum.


Your quite right.It is like Chinese whispers. Everyone getting the message wrong,interpreting it only in the way that suits them

FACT It is nearly SIX MONTHS since a little over half the people of the UK voted to leave the EU. The main instigators of the need for that vote ..FLED when the shock result was revealed. Some have returned..One has turned his back on his deeds and his country and offered his service to America and Trump.. and the country and the people are not one jot better off

NOW..What does this tell most intelligent folks?. YEP They have been lead by the nose by unscrupulous people only interested in furthering their own agenda.They don't give a damn about you. Did you see Ms May in the flaming red dress (slit up the back) at the no expenses spared Lord Mayor's Banquet?
Did she look like the poor and dispossessed,immigration , were high on her agenda?

The first thing to do is-STOP blaming the EU and stop wishing it ill. We didn't vote for it's collapse. We don't need it to fail.especially now in the time of Trump

This process will drag on and on as those at the top twist in the wind wondering how the hell they got into this mess in the first place. and most importantly how to get out of it without causing a riot. I bet Mr C's name comes up regularly complete with expletives.for organising an incomplete referendum

Quoting the markets and the price of things is pointless. It's a different world . They react worldwide to everything from the weather to the politics.Those who bet on it indeed cause currencies to rise and fall. It all about confidence. It would help considerable in stabilising things if the UK government would make a final decision and it would certainly help Europe.
Sadly we are nowhere near it .How different it could have been if we hadn't held the wretched vote and we were the stable part of the world during this US election. Opportunity of a lifetime missed imo.

Bipat Nov 17th 2016 8:20 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12107241)
Your quite right.It is like Chinese whispers. Everyone getting the message wrong,interpreting it only in the way that suits them

FACT It is nearly SIX MONTHS since a little over half the people of the UK voted to leave the EU. The main instigators of the need for that vote ..FLED when the shock result was revealed. Some have returned..One has turned his back on his deeds and his country and offered his service to America and Trump.. and the country and the people are not one jot better off

NOW..What does this tell most intelligent folks?. YEP They have been lead by the nose by unscrupulous people only interested in furthering their own agenda.They don't give a damn about you. Did you see Ms May in the flaming red dress (slit up the back) at the no expenses spared Lord Mayor's Banquet?
Did she look like the poor and dispossessed,immigration , were high on her agenda?


The first thing to do is-STOP blaming the EU and stop wishing it ill. We didn't vote for it's collapse. We don't need it to fail.especially now in the time of Trump

This process will drag on and on as those at the top twist in the wind wondering how the hell they got into this mess in the first place. and most importantly how to get out of it without causing a riot. I bet Mr C's name comes up regularly complete with expletives.for organising an incomplete referendum

Quoting the markets and the price of things is pointless. It's a different world . They react worldwide to everything from the weather to the politics.Those who bet on it indeed cause currencies to rise and fall. It all about confidence. It would help considerable in stabilising things if the UK government would make a final decision and it would certainly help Europe.
Sadly we are nowhere near it .How different it could have been if we hadn't held the wretched vote and we were the stable part of the world during this US election. Opportunity of a lifetime missed imo.

I have always thought Mrs May had dreadful 'fashion sense'--that black and yellow coat?? However, what did you expect her to wear to a banquet to illustrate her care for the "poor and dispossessed"---a patched skirt and second hand cardigan???:lol:


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