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Dick Dasterdly Jul 5th 2016 10:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11994761)
Yes - I remember.

A very small and selective bunch, not at all representative of the large number of people in similar situations.

Much like the heralded "equal ops immigration policy" I reckon ;)

Just one example of the present govts failings.

Yes I do believe strongly in an equal ops immigration policy and very much hope it comes to pass. :cool:

GeniB Jul 5th 2016 11:07 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11994779)
Just one example of the present govts failings.

Yes I do believe strongly in an equal ops immigration policy and very much hope it comes to pass. :cool:


You know Dick after what the UK has pulled in this appalling referendum I doubt very much whether the country is going to be at all as attractive to talented immigrants as it once was. So your worries on that score are over.

You will continue to have immigrants from none EU countries of course.but then that's going to be your problem . There's a sort of tendency to think only in terms of people flooding in in the UK .. They flood out as well. I predict they will leave in droves .Leaving all those services vitally needed for the running and survival of any decent country..bereft.

Dick Dasterdly Jul 5th 2016 11:21 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 11994855)
You know Dick after what the UK has pulled in this appalling referendum I doubt very much whether the country is going to be at all as attractive to talented immigrants as it once was. So your worries on that score are over.

You will continue to have immigrants from none EU countries of course.but then that's going to be your problem . There's a sort of tendency to think only in terms of people flooding in in the UK .. They flood out as well. I predict they will leave in droves .Leaving all those services vitally needed for the running and survival of any decent country..bereft.

Let's just say I do not share your negative opinions, just the opposite in fact.

The World is now our oyster or at least it will be once the shackles have been removed.
:cool:

amideislas Jul 6th 2016 12:07 am

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I think anyone who fears what's going on in the world should watch this.

It's a Fareed Zakaria special which focuses on the origins and reasons for Jihadism in the Muslim world. It's quite eye-opening.

I bring this up in this thread, not only because people really should have the benefit of the realities illustrated here, but because there are some eerie similarities to the Brexit narratives, The global rise of the far-right, and the growth of Islamic extremism

It's not all that long, and it's worth taking a look at, but if you're going to watch it, watch all of it, because the end is very telling, and requires the benefit of the rest of it to achieve the full understanding of the problem.

Why they hate us

Dick Dasterdly Jul 6th 2016 12:23 am

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Nothing has done more to further the cause of the far right than the EU and its policies.

You only have to look at the recent rise of an effective far right party in Germany to see that or alternatively their not so friendly neighbours Austria who came within a whisker of electing a far right president and may yet do so.

Similar trends throughout the EU caused by Merkels open door immigration policy and threats to the democratic self rule of other countries.

The EU on its present course is a clear recipe for disaster.:cool:

amideislas Jul 6th 2016 12:40 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11994896)
Nothing has done more to further the cause of the far right than the EU and its policies.

You only have to look at the recent rise of an effective far right party in Germany to see that or alternatively their not so friendly neighbours Austria who came within a whisker of electing a far right president and may yet do so.

Similar trends throughout the EU caused by Merkels open door immigration policy and threats to the democratic self rule of other countries.

The EU on its present course is a clear recipe for disaster.:cool:

I'm much less concerned with the far right in Germany than the far right in France. Hollande, the icon of "champagne socialism" has sleep-walked right into a great big bear trap: And Le Pen has her hand on the trigger. This is very, very stupid. Hollande needs to wake up and smell the coffee, but I think it's too late. The only good news here is that a majority of French don't (yet) support Le Pen. But she's gaining on them...

The EU, is at least now smelling the coffee and seriously re-thinking the way forward. You actually can thank Cameron for that, and of course, the success of the Brexit referendum... We shall see.

In any case, the EU is far from the collapse you naively wish for. You got your brexit wish, now go away and let Europe move on to damage control. Because if Britain farks this up, the consequences will absolutely, positively take Britain down with everybody else.

amideislas Jul 6th 2016 6:12 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11994863)
Let's just say I do not share your negative opinions, just the opposite in fact.

The World is now our oyster or at least it will be once the shackles have been removed.
:cool:

Great Britain reckons with possible future as Little England - Washington Post



LONDON — For centuries, this modest little island in the North Sea has punched well above its weight on the international stage: It built a global empire, beat back the Nazi tide and stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States during a decades-long standoff with the Soviets.

But now that Britain has stunned the world with its decision to exit the European Union, experts say it will be focused inward for the foreseeable future.

...

“[Britain's] voice will no longer be there when withdrawal is complete,” Gordon said. Instead, Britain will be preoccupied with its “great domestic convulsion.”

Bipat Jul 6th 2016 7:05 am

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Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 11994855)
You know Dick after what the UK has pulled in this appalling referendum I doubt very much whether the country is going to be at all as attractive to talented immigrants as it once was. So your worries on that score are over.

You will continue to have immigrants from none EU countries of course.but then that's going to be your problem . There's a sort of tendency to think only in terms of people flooding in in the UK .. They flood out as well. I predict they will leave in droves .Leaving all those services vitally needed for the running and survival of any decent country..bereft.

"Not attractive to talented immigrants".
"You will continue to have immigrants from non-EU countries of course".

I think the Remainers on this Forum are beginning to show their true colours.
The majority of 'talented' immigrants in NHS, academia, politics, law, architecture, entertainment etc.etc, are of non-EU origin.

Bipat Jul 6th 2016 7:10 am

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This article seems to worry more about Britain not helping USA, rather than any problems for the UK. (Again praising Britain for building a global Empire).

Rather ironic, when today we will be discussing the Chilcot Report.

BEVS Jul 6th 2016 7:21 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11995061)
"Not attractive to talented immigrants".
"You will continue to have immigrants from non-EU countries of course".

I think the Remainers on this Forum are beginning to show their true colours.
The majority of 'talented' immigrants in NHS, academia, politics, law, architecture, entertainment etc.etc, are of non-EU origin.

This confused me to start with, perhaps because of the bolded type.

I'm not sure why you have done this. It is clear that what was meant was that the UK has become a less attractive place all round for those individuals from overseas - as in non home grown - who may have thought to live and work in the UK or are already living and working in the UK.

BEVS Jul 6th 2016 7:28 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11995063)
This article seems to worry more about Britain not helping USA, rather than any problems for the UK.

I think what this article is trying to say rather clumsily is that the UK has lost its footing on the world stage. It will no longer be a conduit between the USA and the EU. It will no longer have a voice in the EU . It will no longer be of use to those countries that look to their ties with the UK in dealing with the EU. However out of necessity it will now have to spend resources looking inward as to how it moves forward as a nation .

I have posted a link to a select committee Q&A on another thread like this one. It really is worth a listen and one I feel you would be interested in.


Rather ironic, when today we will be discussing the Chilcot Report.
Worth its own thread IMVHO

GeniB Jul 6th 2016 7:36 am

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11995061)
"Not attractive to talented immigrants".
"You will continue to have immigrants from non-EU countries of course".

I think the Remainers on this Forum are beginning to show their true colours.
The majority of 'talented' immigrants in NHS, academia, politics, law, architecture, entertainment etc.etc, are of non-EU origin.



One again YOU show your true colours Bipat .

You have a chip the size of the sub continent (and sorry if that description offends you as well it's a known Geographic term)

Nowhere did I mention any particular race,ethnicity etc in my term 'Not attractive to talented immigrants' .YOU simple joined the dots to suit your own biased opinion. Please stop looking to be offended

amideislas Jul 6th 2016 7:39 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11995063)
This article seems to worry more about Britain not helping USA, rather than any problems for the UK. (Again praising Britain for building a global Empire).

Rather ironic, when today we will be discussing the Chilcot Report.

The point this makes (and in defence of my view that Britain has until now enjoyed a global significance far greater than the sum of it's parts) is that unlike the grandiose vision of a big, powerful, "flourishing" post-brexit "Great Britain", the actual reality is that having shed those things which make Britain important on the global stage, we will now be measured much more by the sum of the parts alone.

And if you count up the sum of those parts alone, and compare it to the rest of G7 for example, Britain's future footprint starts to look pretty questionable.

And besides, Britain will be preoccupied with it's domestic agenda and it's detanglement from Europe for the foreseeable future.

BEVS Jul 6th 2016 7:45 am

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Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 11995076)
One again YOU show your true colours Bipat .

You have a chip the size of the sub continent (and sorry if that description offends you as well it's a known Geographic term)

Nowhere did I mention any particular race,ethnicity etc in my term 'Not attractive to talented immigrants' .YOU simple joined the dots to suit your own biased opinion. Please stop looking to be offended

So. What did you mean ? As BiPat has taken it to mean something that I personally did not see , however that is not to say that I saw it correctly either. We could both be interpreting wrongly.

If you could expand or rephrase that would help.

Red Eric Jul 6th 2016 7:45 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11994863)
The World is now our oyster or at least it will be once the shackles have been removed.
:cool:

Isn't there an expression about being sold kippers for oysters?


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