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mfesharne Nov 5th 2016 4:44 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12096577)
Exactly. And nobody is seriously suggesting that we will not leave or that Parliament will vote in direct contradiction to the outcome of the referendum.

What is uncertain, and upon which nobody voted at all, is what the relationship will look like once we are no longer members. You might have wanted or expected certain things, other people wanted or expected other things. All this was amply discussed on here before the referendum.

If this ruling is upheld, Parliament will have oversight of what the government is doing. Why is this a bad thing?

I've already explained that but will do so again.

Debating the terms of Brexit will be tipping our hand to the other side which in turn will result in deal that isn't as good.

IMO A50 needs to be triggered straight away because that's what was voted for & promised.

Furthermore, negotiations can't be started until A50 is triggered so how can terms of Brexit be addressed by Parliament until A50 is triggered?

Which takes us back to para 2. :confused:

jimenato Nov 5th 2016 5:07 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
mfesharne, can you ask paulry what he means by 'full Brexit'?

Only you keep pointing out that there was only one question on the referendum paper and he keeps saying 'full Brexit' like there is more than one kind.

Can you sort it out between you?

DaveLovesDee Nov 5th 2016 5:10 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096592)
IMO A50 needs to be triggered straight away because that's what was voted for & promised.

Parliament will have a say on what out position will be. That's democracy.

Triggering A50 without that is not legal under UK law. That's undemocratic.

And wasn't the 'undemocratic EU' one of Leave's reasons to vote Leave?

mfesharne Nov 5th 2016 5:16 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12096598)
mfesharne, can you ask paulry what he means by 'full Brexit'?

Only you keep pointing out that there was only one question on the referendum paper and he keeps saying 'full Brexit' like there is more than one kind.

Can you sort it out between you?

I don't seak for him nor he for I so I'm afraid you must ask him yourself. ;)

jimenato Nov 5th 2016 5:18 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096603)
I don't seak for him nor he for I so I'm afraid you must ask him yourself. ;)

Not discord in the Brexiteer ranks surely? :ohmy:

Actually I don't think he knows himself.:sneaky:

mfesharne Nov 5th 2016 5:23 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12096601)
Parliament will have a say on what out position will be. That's democracy.

Triggering A50 without that is not legal under UK law. That's undemocratic.

And wasn't the 'undemocratic EU' one of Leave's reasons to vote Leave?

(IMO) you're confusing Parliamentary democracy with the British democratic process.

Parliament propose & debate laws etc whilst the referendum process as being discussed here is where the electorate (as opposed to our elected representatives) vote on a motion which the Govt of the day must enact whether they like it or not.

Which is what Parliament & DC both promised during the pre referendum debate & also what the pre referendum info/BS pack promised.

P'raps Parliament need to consider today's date! :lol::rofl::lol:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November. lol

paulry Nov 5th 2016 5:23 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
This is interesting. It seems that Teresa May cannot call a snap election without support to do so by Labour MPs


EMR Nov 5th 2016 5:33 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12096614)
This is interesting. It seems that Teresa May cannot call a snap election without support to do so by Labour MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNqDsrFD_M

Even for you that is a pile of crap.
The government can call an election whenever it choses within the fixed term period.
It would appear that you believe anything if its on youcrap.

EMR Nov 5th 2016 5:36 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096611)
(IMO) you're confusing Parliamentary democracy with the British democratic process.

Parliament propose & debate laws etc whilst the referendum process as being discussed here is where the electorate (as opposed to our elected representatives) vote on a motion which the Govt of the day must enact whether they like it or not.

Which is what Parliament & DC both promised during the pre referendum debate & also what the pre referendum info/BS pack promised.

P'raps Parliament need to consider today's date! :lol::rofl::lol:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November. lol

Given the nonesense being posted by brexiters I thought it was Aoril fools day.

EMR Nov 5th 2016 5:43 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096611)
(IMO) you're confusing Parliamentary democracy with the British democratic process.

Parliament propose & debate laws etc whilst the referendum process as being discussed here is where the electorate (as opposed to our elected representatives) vote on a motion which the Govt of the day must enact whether they like it or not.

Which is what Parliament & DC both promised during the pre referendum debate & also what the pre referendum info/BS pack promised.

P'raps Parliament need to consider today's date! :lol::rofl::lol:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November. lol

Parliament promised nothing of the sort.
Where is the bill or even a vote in parliament to put article 50 into effect after the referendum result.
No such thing exists its just another brexit fantasy.
The bill the only bill that was voted on was to hold a referendum , nothing exists relating to action following that vote.
If you believe otherwise please provide the evidence.

paulry Nov 5th 2016 5:45 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
What he said:


lutonlad Nov 5th 2016 5:45 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12096614)
This is interesting. It seems that Teresa May cannot call a snap election without support to do so by Labour MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNqDsrFD_M

Another thing you can thank DC for.
He's screwed the country rigid.
Hope he sleeps well at night and rakes in lots of dosh - NOT.

mfesharne Nov 5th 2016 5:47 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12096614)
This is interesting. It seems that Teresa May cannot call a snap election without support to do so by Labour MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MNqDsrFD_M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-...ments_Act_2011

Lion in Winter Nov 5th 2016 5:53 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
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Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096611)
(IMO) you're confusing Parliamentary democracy with the British democratic process.

Parliament propose & debate laws etc whilst the referendum process as being discussed here is where the electorate (as opposed to our elected representatives) vote on a motion which the Govt of the day must enact whether they like it or not.

Which is what Parliament & DC both promised during the pre referendum debate & also what the pre referendum info/BS pack promised.

P'raps Parliament need to consider today's date! :lol::rofl::lol:

Remember, remember, the 5th of November. lol

The referendum was advisory. It obliged the government to do nothing and May is not claiming that it does, she is claiming royal prerogative which is also a part of our constitution. The court has ruled that this is a Parliamentary matter not covered by royal prerogative.

Having said that, again other than in tabloids nobody is seriously proposing that Parliament reverse the result of the referendum.

EMR Nov 5th 2016 6:06 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by mfesharne (Post 12096627)

Only someone ignorant of UK parliamentary tradition and political history would believe that.
We have at least two of those on this forum.
Pms can call an election any time they want to.


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