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EMR Oct 30th 2016 3:57 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12082247)
Dick, everything in the express begins with "fury" and/or "outrage".

It's to inspire people like you to have "fury" and "outrage" for even the pettiest of things (presuming the issue the be "outraged" over even exists in the first place, which, in the case of British tabloids, isn't always the case).


Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12091175)
You need to keep up.

The sum the Uk now pays the Eu has gone up just as Leavers forecast, and is now in the region 365 million a week.

The Eu could quite easily take the exact sum it needs to keep itself in the lap of luxury,
but there again it wouldn't be able to use the refund which it controls for propaganda purposes.

Many Remoaners actually still believe it is an Eu handout and still aren't bright enough to figure out whose money it was in the first place.

All pretty well typical of the fraudulent Eu project as a whole, which would never even have got of the ground if people had been smart enough to figure out in the first place that the main purpose was to pull the wool over their eyes and create a Dictatorial Superstate.

Fortunately the penny is now beginning to drop as concern and unrest becomes increasingly obvious throughout member countries. :cool:

So when and if we brexit which UK institutions are going to benefit from the NETT contribution.
We already know its not going to be the NHS etc.
Where will the savings go, ?
Nissan , Ford in fact any company that needs support to compete in the EU.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 30th 2016 4:05 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12091182)
So when and if we brexit which UK institutions are going to benefit from the NETT contribution.
We already know its not going to be the NHS etc.
Where will the savings go, ?
Nissan , Ford in fact any company that needs support to compete in the EU.

That is for the Democratically elected British Govt to decide when the time comes.

Wild negative remoaner speculation is totally pointless.

Lion in Winter Oct 30th 2016 4:17 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12091186)
That is for the Democratically elected British Govt to decide when the time comes.

Wild negative remoaner speculation is totally pointless.

The party is democratically elected. The government is assembled by the PM. What do you feel about the government cutting deals without consulting the democratically elected Parliament? We don't vote for the PM remember? We vote for local MPs to represent our interests. How do they do that if they are not consulted?

EMR Oct 30th 2016 4:25 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12091191)
The party is democratically elected. The government is assembled by the PM. What do you feel about the government cutting deals without consulting the democratically elected Parliament? We don't vote for the PM remember? We vote for local MPs to represent our interests. How do they do that if they are not consulted?

A few years ago May wrote a paper in which she said that any decisions regarding the UK relationship with the EU should be put to Parliament.
Decisions of such importance should not be made by government alone.
Huffington post this morning..

amideislas Oct 30th 2016 4:55 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12091186)
That is for the Democratically elected British Govt to decide when the time comes.

Wild negative remoaner speculation is totally pointless.

Here's an idea; perhaps it would be "democratic" if we waited until we have a "Democratically elected British Govt". But maybe not.

Fredbargate Oct 30th 2016 4:59 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12090887)
Only a dumb dumb believes that the UK can strike new trade agreements equal ir better than the free access we currently have with the rest of the EU.
That will not only be better but replace it if tarrifs are applied.
Only a dumb dumb !


Originally Posted by TGA (Post 12090899)
only a dumb dumb believes membership of the EU is FREE:rofl:
http://i.imgur.com/pZT27f3.gif


Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12091031)

Ask TGA regarding his post above.

Certain posters on both sides are guilty of it.

TGA was responding to the insults EMR made in respect of a post he made

However yes others are guilty of it.

But most of this attitude on numerous threads can be traced back to Oct 2012

DaveLovesDee Oct 30th 2016 5:02 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12091175)
You need to keep up.

The sum the Uk now pays the Eu has gone up just as Leavers forecast, and is now in the region 365 million a week.

The Eu could quite easily take the exact sum it needs to keep itself in the lap of luxury,
but there again it wouldn't be able to use the refund which it controls for propaganda purposes.

Many Remoaners actually still believe it is an Eu handout and still aren't bright enough to figure out whose money it was in the first place.

All pretty well typical of the fraudulent Eu project as a whole, which would never even have got of the ground if people had been smart enough to figure out in the first place that the main purpose was to pull the wool over their eyes and create a Dictatorial Superstate.

Fortunately the penny is now beginning to drop as concern and unrest becomes increasingly obvious throughout member countries. :cool:

Here we go again How payments to the EU are calculated


Each country's payment is divided into three parts: a fixed percentage of gross national income (GNI), customs duties collected on behalf of the EU (known as "traditional own resources") and a percentage of VAT income.

The GNI-based contribution is the largest part of each country's payment and is set each year by the EU to balance the budget.

There is one other important part of the revenue calculations: the UK rebate, which returns to the UK two-thirds of its payments.

This rebate is paid for by the other 26 countries as a fixed amount of their gross national income.
The reason the UK's payments are going up is because in the last financial year the UK economy has done better than expected, the UK collected more customs duties from non-EU imports, or raised more VAT. Likely a combination of the above.


Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12091186)
That is for the Democratically elected British Govt to decide when the time comes.

You're joking, right?

We only actually elect MP's, every 5yrs. The leader (elected by party members) of the party with the most MP's is invited to form a government (by an unelected monarch).

The Prime Minister chooses their cabinet from their party's MP's, none of which has to have any experience of their Ministry's area of expertise. In many cases, it's a case of a cabinet position for those who support the PM.

The PM was also previously responsible for proposing candidates to the House of Lords, before the formation of the (unelected) Lords Appointment Commission.

Yet the EU is undemocratic because each PM nominates an EU Commissioner (who is confirmed (or not) by MEP's), each member state's PM (or relevant cabinet minister) represents that country on the EU Council of Ministers, and MEP's are elected every 5yrs.

There really isn't that much difference between UK democracy, and the EU's. And the UK is well-represented in the latter.


Wild negative remoaner speculation is totally pointless.
And Fred was commenting about us insulting Leavers...... Pot, kettle, black.

Fredbargate Oct 30th 2016 5:05 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12091214)
Here's an idea; perhaps it would be "democratic" if we waited until we have a "Democratically elected British Govt". But maybe not.

Would that be a Government formed by a party with a sizeable majority composed of MP's who were elected by a majority of their electorate and not just those with the largest vote in a constituency?

amideislas Oct 30th 2016 5:06 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 
Erm, this is a very different government with a very different agenda than the one that was voted into office.

EMR Oct 30th 2016 5:10 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12091226)
Would that be a Government formed by a party with a sizeable majority composed of MP's who were elected by a majority of their electorate and not just those with the largest vote in a constituency?

An overall majority of 10 is hardly sizeable.

lutonlad Oct 30th 2016 5:11 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12091229)
Erm, this is a very different government with a very different agenda than the one that was voted into office.

Glad you're not too disappointed.

DaveLovesDee Oct 30th 2016 5:17 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12091219)
TGA was responding to the insults EMR made in respect of a post he made

However yes others are guilty of it.

But most of this attitude on numerous threads can be traced back to Oct 2012

Yet you still can't resist a dig at EMR.

It doesn't matter when it started, who started it, or why. This is TIO, and shit happens. There's a note on the forum front page which says,


Take it Outside!
Please keep all political, religious and other controversial topics in here. The discussions may become heated, so enter at your own risk!
If Leavers want to keep up the insults, name-calling and sly digs, carry on, but don't then whine when it's done by Remainers.

I was going to make a sarky comment here, but that would be hypocritical of me.

Fredbargate Oct 30th 2016 5:21 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12091235)
Yet you still can't resist a dig at EMR.

It doesn't matter when it started, who started it, or why. This is TIO, and shit happens. There's a note on the forum front page which says,



If Leavers want to keep up the insults, name-calling and sly digs, carry on, but don't then whine when it's done by Remainers.

I was going to make a sarky comment here, but that would be hypocritical of me.

Just responding to the shit he's thrown at me over the years and not just on TIO

DaveLovesDee Oct 30th 2016 5:30 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12091239)
Just responding to the shit he's thrown at me over the years and not just on TIO

Which then gives him an excuse to respond to you in kind. And so on.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 30th 2016 5:57 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12091214)
Here's an idea; perhaps it would be "democratic" if we waited until we have a "Democratically elected British Govt". But maybe not.

We already have.

If a govt alters policies or doesn't live up to its promises then the electorate have the option to throw them out.

Shame the same option doesn't apply to the Eu.


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