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amideislas Oct 28th 2016 5:03 pm

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This is a pretty good read on the state of things.

Britain's mixed messages deepen Brexit rifts with EU - Reuters


In Berlin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was mystified by May's metamorphosis from a quiet "remain" supporter to what seemed like a passionate crusader for a hard break from Europe, according to people in her entourage. The British seemed intent on "talking themselves into isolation," an official close to the chancellor said.
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A central problem for May's government is that Article 50 puts the country that is exiting the EU in a position of great weakness, says Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, a think tank in London. EU countries can simply hunker down while the two-year clock ticks away, raising pressure on the leaver.

May, therefore, would be wise to avoid an approach that alienates the EU, Grant believes. Attempts from the British side to strengthen its negotiating position through veiled threats to slash corporate tax rates or veto European defense cooperation risk backfiring.

"If Britain wants a decent deal, it will need a massive amount of goodwill from its EU partners. And for this you need to keep the negotiations technocratic and serious," Grant said. "The diplomats understand this, but I'm not sure anyone else does."

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 5:04 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12089692)
Yes I am. It's a lovely day, we have a World Series game at Wrigley Field to look forward to on the TV tonight, and a nice quiet weekend ahead. What's not to like about that?
.

Just curious, but how many countries from around the World take part in the World Series of Rounders, or Baseball as you prefer to call it over there.;)

JamesM Oct 28th 2016 5:04 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12089809)
This is a pretty good read on the state of things.

Britain's mixed messages deepen Brexit rifts with EU - Reuters

Don't tell me none of these "Brexiters" actually read article 50?

There's a surprise.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 5:05 pm

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Nissan and Government deny 'sweetheart deal'

"A No 10 spokesman later insisted there was no "compensation package" or "special deal" done with Nissan to secure the investment.

"What was made clear to Nissan and to others in the automotive industry is that what we want is a competitive environment for the whole of the industry," he said.

Nissan also clarified it had not been given special treatment."

So where are these subsidies of taxpayers money that have supposedly been promised.

Please not more unsubstantiated fearmongering.

JamesM Oct 28th 2016 5:06 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089810)
Just curious, but how many countries from around the World take part in the World Series of Rounders, or Baseball as you prefer to call it over there.;)

There are 23 different nationalities in Major League Baseball from 5 continents.

If you weren't computer illiterate you could have just Googled it.

EMR Oct 28th 2016 5:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089812)
Nissan and Government deny 'sweetheart deal'

"A No 10 spokesman later insisted there was no "compensation package" or "special deal" done with Nissan to secure the investment.

"What was made clear to Nissan and to others in the automotive industry is that what we want is a competitive environment for the whole of the industry," he said.

Nissan also clarified it had not been given special treatment."

So where are these subsidies of taxpayers money that have supposedly been promised.

Please not more unsubstantiated fearmongering.

Read the Telegraph article, the automotive sector is being given special support.
Ceo of Nissan had talks in no 10.
If it looks like support, sounds like support, it is support.
Of course if the government see sense and retains tarrif free access to the EU for UK exports it will not be any different from the current situation.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 5:20 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12089814)
There are 23 different nationalities in Major League Baseball from 5 continents.

If you weren't computer illiterate you could have just Googled it.

WORLD SERIES

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series

I see no mention of a non US team ever having won it, though apparently it was held in Canada one year. :confused:

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 5:22 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12089828)
Read the Telegraph article, the automotive sector is being given special support.
Ceo of Nissan had talks in no 10.
If it looks like support, sounds like support, it is support.

Since when did support translate as subsidies ?

DaveLovesDee Oct 28th 2016 5:24 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089812)
Nissan and Government deny 'sweetheart deal'

"A No 10 spokesman later insisted there was no "compensation package" or "special deal" done with Nissan to secure the investment.

"What was made clear to Nissan and to others in the automotive industry is that what we want is a competitive environment for the whole of the industry," he said.

Nissan also clarified it had not been given special treatment."

So where are these subsidies of taxpayers money that have supposedly been promised.

Please not more unsubstantiated fearmongering.

And now you believe the government....

Of course the government and Nissan will tell you that, otherwise every other company potentially affected by Brexit will want a similar deal. And public opinion and the media will crucify the Tories.

EMR Oct 28th 2016 5:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089833)
Since when did support translate as subsidies ?

What other form can they take ,tax breaks, = subsidies, research and development grants = subsidies.etc.
It is cash in one form or another for the UK automotive industry however you want to play it..

DaveLovesDee Oct 28th 2016 5:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089833)
Since when did support translate as subsidies ?

Subsidies would be illegal under EU rules until Brexit.

What other support is there other than financial? Leavers were up in arms over a tiny about of funding for the BBC from the EU, but government funding of a much greater amount was ok.

SultanOfSwing Oct 28th 2016 5:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089810)
Just curious, but how many countries from around the World take part in the World Series of Rounders, or Baseball as you prefer to call it over there.;)

Club teams are based in the US and Canada but as James said ...


Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12089814)
There are 23 different nationalities in Major League Baseball from 5 continents.

If you weren't computer illiterate you could have just Googled it.

The world is very much represented by the players within the league. So the Americans like to build things up a bit beyond what they are, it's no big deal. There is, though, an actual baseball World Championship with full national teams though.

Fredbargate Oct 28th 2016 5:31 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12089840)
Subsidies would be illegal under EU rules until Brexit.

That's an EU ruling that only applies to the UK

amideislas Oct 28th 2016 5:33 pm

re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12089839)
What other form can they take ,tax breaks, = subsidies, research and development grants = subsidies.etc.
It is cash in one form or another for the UK automotive industry however you want to play it..

Don't worry so much about that. Whatever was discussed, it had to be compelling enough to bank billions on. Not just optimistic talk about how great Britain will be.

So, it's either a guarantee of fiscal support, or a guarantee (with strong compelling evidence) that the UK will not be leaving the single market. And we know what that means: Brexit might not exactly mean Brexit?

Lion in Winter Oct 28th 2016 5:34 pm

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Perhaps what said "support" consists of was a commitment, expressed to Nissan, that the UK intends to remain in the single market on a pay to play basis (in exchange for what, we don't yet know).

I'm sure Nissan didn't choose to invest based on a vague and cheery message of support - that isn't how businesses do business. They have to meet a rules of origin requirement to export tariff-free into the EU, and that is pretty concrete.


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