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Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 10:53 am

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Jean-Claude Juncker: Poland leads calls to cut EU Commission president's powers | Politics | News | Daily Express

"'Bring him down to size!' Poland leads calls for Juncker to be stripped of growing powers

POLAND has tonight championed calls for Jean-Claude Juncker's unelected EU Commission to be stripped of its powers."

"The country's Prime Minister said Brussels bureaucrats have grown too big for their boots and blamed them for the popularity crisis which is threatening to sink the euro project.

Beata Szydlo accused the all-powerful Commission of becoming too political and meddling way beyond its remit as Europe's politicians wrestle to impose their visions for the future of the bloc post-Brexit. "

I couldn't agree more.

Never was there a more obvious example of Absolute Power corrupting Absolutely !

EMR Oct 28th 2016 10:58 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089514)
Check your facts.

The Govt has made no such promise to subsidise or hand taxpayers money to Nissan.

Indeed it still remains to be seen if Nissan will need any future assistance of any sort.

Project fear again.

That is not what the CEO of Nissan says, so who is telling porkies.

amideislas Oct 28th 2016 11:02 am

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 12089520)
In terms of EU immigration and the single market, there seems to be no appetite for compromise.

I suggest that the majority of people who voted leave are not racist or even anti EU per se. But because they dare support the concept of controlled immigration, they are branded as such. Certainly on here it is not possible to advocate controlled immigration without lighting the racist fuse. There are probably even remainers (admittedly not from the left) who also regret the single market being synonymous with free movement.

I also suggest that those of us who reject the idea of closer EU integration, see free movement as one of the two big supporting pillars of a Federal Europe (along with a single currency which we've so far avoided). This was the overriding issue that influenced the referendum result.

"Compromise" on freedom of movement vs. single market? You make it sound like somebody can just say "OK, well, yes, we'll give you all that". But these are the founding concepts the EU was built on. That would be like presuming the US would abolish the 2nd amendment just to please Britain.

Immigration was the key argument in the leave campaign, and outwardly racist propaganda was what sold it. No, you can't say that those who voted leave are all racists, but it was racist propaganda that sold them on it. And having won on that basis has effectively validated the racist parts of that message.

Britain had an opt-out to "closer EU integration", but it still fears it, even though it's no longer any of Britain's business.

Britain needs to go before it's able to cause more damage. It's taking much too long.

EMR Oct 28th 2016 11:03 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089518)
Brexit: Britain ranked ahead of France and Germany as place to do business by World Bank | UK | News | Daily Express

"Why leave? Tax crazy France and meddling Germany BURIED by Britain in top business survey

FRANCE and Germany’s hopes of luring companies away from the UK after Brexit were dealt a hammer blow today after the two countries were blown out of the water by pro-business Britain."


It still doesn't alter the result of the WOrld bank survey.

Proof yet again that the brexit campaign was as a pile of steaming doo doohs when it saod that EU membership was a negative influence on UK business.
Your post Dick confirms that.
One day maybe in 2-3 years Dick you will actually be able to post links that accurately reflect a post brexit UK instead if increasing positive ones about a UK , still a full member and still in the free market.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 11:06 am

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Poor old John McDonnell,
Typical leftie eejit.
Can't even tell his Brexit from his Breakfast. :rofl:




"HUNGRY ARE WE JOHN? Bumbling John McDonnell manages to confuse Brexit with ‘breakfast’ THREE times in the same disastrous speech"

"Perhaps the bumbling leftie was thinking of his breakfast instead
The hard left firebrand referred to a ‘chaotic breakfast’ as he tried to attack the Government EU strategy, leaving himself with egg (and bacon) on his face.

Mr McDonnell was supposed to attack Mrs May for pursuing a ‘bankers’ Brexit’ that sorted out sweetheart deals for big business that ordinary people would have to pay for.

But the key Corbyn ally’s attack was completely nullified by his tripping over his words, calling it instead a ‘bankers’ breakfast’."

:rofl:

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 11:11 am

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Watch Lab MP claim that “The Government is hurtling towards a chaotic breakfast” | The Poke

:rofl:

Dick Dasterdly Oct 28th 2016 11:16 am

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"In a YouGov survey, 45 per cent are convinced leaving the EU is best for Britain compared to 44 per cent who disagree.

There is also optimism about Britain’s economic performance away from the Brussels-based bloc, with 42 per cent believing the UK will be richer in the long-term than it would have been remaining inside the EU.

Only 28 per cent said the British economy would fare worse over the next 10 to 20 years after Brexit than it would remaining tied to Brussels."

amideislas Oct 28th 2016 11:29 am

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A testament to the power of tabloids to sway public opinion.

It would be an interesting study to see the results of the same poll taken outside the UK.

Better yet, take the same poll outside the UK, but polling only those with a university education.

Red Eric Oct 28th 2016 11:44 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089551)
Poor old John McDonnell,
Typical leftie eejit.
Can't even tell his Brexit from his Breakfast. :rofl:




"HUNGRY ARE WE JOHN? Bumbling John McDonnell manages to confuse Brexit with ‘breakfast’ THREE times in the same disastrous speech"

"Perhaps the bumbling leftie was thinking of his breakfast instead
The hard left firebrand referred to a ‘chaotic breakfast’ as he tried to attack the Government EU strategy, leaving himself with egg (and bacon) on his face.

Mr McDonnell was supposed to attack Mrs May for pursuing a ‘bankers’ Brexit’ that sorted out sweetheart deals for big business that ordinary people would have to pay for.

But the key Corbyn ally’s attack was completely nullified by his tripping over his words, calling it instead a ‘bankers’ breakfast’."

:rofl:

Easy enough mistake to make - he probably kept thinking of "a dog's breakfast" every time he was about to say Brexit.

Red Eric Oct 28th 2016 11:48 am

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12089522)
From previous link....

"The UK is rated as far more open to entrepreneurs and less riven with needless red tape and bureaucracy than its two economic rivals in a landmark survey by the World Bank.

The World Bank?? Aren't they one of the organisations you accused of being in the EU's pocket before the referendum?

Very likely elitist and stuffed full of soi disant experts to boot ;)

EMR Oct 28th 2016 12:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12089569)
The World Bank?? Aren't they one of the organisations you accused of being in the EU's pocket before the referendum?

Very likely elitist and stuffed full of soi disant experts to boot ;)

Its the Express so you cannot expect otherwise.
Next Dick will be praising the IMF and the ECB just because its in his favourite comic.
Goebbels would be proud of it.

lutonlad Oct 28th 2016 12:28 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12089562)
A testament to the power of tabloids to sway public opinion.

It would be an interesting study to see the results of the same poll taken outside the UK.

Better yet, take the same poll outside the UK, but polling only those with a university education.

Better still. Why not expand your idea to real polls.
The right to vote in the referendum should have been limited to those who exceed a certain IQ, have passed an EU citizenship test, read big newspapers, went to the right type of Uni (mickey mouse ex tech colleges don't count), never shopped at Aldi, Lidl or Asda and certainly don't watch soaps.
BTW those with a university education should prove it by at least handwriting their name and knowing what the capital of Belgium is.

EMR Oct 28th 2016 12:42 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 12089585)
Better still. Why not expand your idea to real polls.
The right to vote in the referendum should have been limited to those who exceed a certain IQ, have passed an EU citizenship test, read big newspapers, went to the right type of Uni (mickey mouse ex tech colleges don't count), never shopped at Aldi, Lidl or Asda and certainly don't watch soaps.
BTW those with a university education should prove it by at least handwriting their name and knowing what the capital of Belgium is.

It should at least included those who worked, lived and paid tax in the UK.
We give the vote to benefit scroungers but not to hard working immigrants who may have contributed far more for years than those who sit on their arses and blame immigrants for their situation.

jimenato Oct 28th 2016 12:53 pm

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Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 12089520)
In terms of EU immigration and the single market, there seems to be no appetite for compromise.

I suggest that the majority of people who voted leave are not racist or even anti EU per se. But because they dare support the concept of controlled immigration, they are branded as such. Certainly on here it is not possible to advocate controlled immigration without lighting the racist fuse. There are probably even remainers (admittedly not from the left) who also regret the single market being synonymous with free movement.

I also suggest that those of us who reject the idea of closer EU integration, see free movement as one of the two big supporting pillars of a Federal Europe (along with a single currency which we've so far avoided). This was the overriding issue that influenced the referendum result.

We were exempt from further integration - one of the concessions that Cameron secured.

lutonlad Oct 28th 2016 12:55 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12089588)
It should at least included those who worked, lived and paid tax in the UK.
We give the vote to benefit scroungers but not to hard working immigrants who may have contributed far more for years than those who sit on their arses and blame immigrants for their situation.

Can't really argue with the that.
But therein lies part of the problem. Many other EU countries have a contributory welfare system. Not quite so easy to be a 'benefit scrounger' but easier to impose residency rules eg. Spain.


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