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paulry Oct 27th 2016 7:51 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12087622)
England is not European culturally, it's a colonial nation with an island mentality.

The European royal/titled families throughout history have married into other European royal/titled families to gain advantages (power/land/money/favours) from the other family, and only comparatively recently compared to Europe have UK royalty/titled families married into European ones.

Royal intermarriage in Europe

Then came trade deals, then the EU.

Times change, and the world changes too. But Britain will never be European in any sense of the word. It's part of Europe, but only geographically.

So what are the criteria for a truly culturally European country?

amideislas Oct 27th 2016 7:59 am

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First off, not believing being European is somehow inferior. Secondly, not fearing "them".

Anyway, the plot just keeps getting stranger:

Theresa May under fire for secret talk of Brexit fears
After the Guardian published leaked audio of her speech to Goldman Sachs, politicians from the UK and across Europe have criticised the prime minister



paulry Oct 27th 2016 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12088349)
First off, not believing being European is somehow inferior. Secondly, not fearing "them".

Anyway, the plot just keeps getting stranger:

Theresa May under fire for secret talk of Brexit fears
After the Guardian published leaked audio of her speech to Goldman Sachs, politicians from the UK and across Europe have criticised the prime minister



She had an opinion before the referendum was held that was inconsistent with what voters decided and she now sits in a position where she is expected to execute the democratic decision and she has said she will do exactly that. So the outrage is about what exactly? :unsure:

EMR Oct 27th 2016 8:20 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12087633)
FIFY :p

British fisherman do very nicely selling their catch tarrif free to other EU nations.

EMR Oct 27th 2016 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12087412)
London. It was about London. And the study was conducted on 5,200 well-educated, high net-worth adults and not the low paid who suffer from high immigration, overcrowding, housing shortages and high rents in London and the UK. And you forgot schooling and the NHS.

You should remind Dick then to stop posting nonsense about the benefits of brexit.
It was he he posted the original link.

amideislas Oct 27th 2016 8:31 am

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 12088400)
She had an opinion before the referendum was held that was inconsistent with what voters decided and she now sits in a position where she is expected to execute the democratic decision and she has said she will do exactly that. So the outrage is about what exactly? :unsure:

There is no "outrage". That's a daily express term used to describe any small discrepancy about anything. Gets the audience fired up, sells more papers.

The problem is that even by her own admission, there is nothing good in Brexit, for anyone. Yet she feels compelled to disregard the damage it will cause to the country, simply to satisfy the whims of her party's extreme political ideology.

This is the entire problem with it all. There's no tangible justification for it. It's all ideology. A notion. Just a belief.

Would you remove all the glass from the windows of your house because you believe it will free evil spirits that are trapped in it?

GeniB Oct 27th 2016 9:00 am

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12088413)
There is no "outrage". That's a daily express term used to describe any small discrepancy about anything. Gets the audience fired up, sells more papers.

The problem is that even by her own admission, there is nothing good in Brexit, for anyone. Yet she feels compelled to disregard the damage it will cause to the country, simply to satisfy the whims of her party's extreme political ideology.

This is the entire problem with it all. There's no tangible justification for it. It's all ideology. A notion. Just a belief.

Would you remove all the glass from the windows of your house because you believe it will free evil spirits that are trapped in it?

Sounds very much like Boris's 'hedging of bets' article too.' It brings us back to the question of what exactly did go on in the Oxford debating society?.Did they say.. 'Power at any price'. Do they actually believe in anything they say.? Two faced doesn't quite cover it does it.

DaveLovesDee Oct 27th 2016 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12088437)
It brings us back to the question of what exactly did go on in the Oxford debating society?

Mass debating. :p

DaveLovesDee Oct 27th 2016 10:54 am

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12084628)
'Let's take back control' and 'sovereignty' were two phrases repeated regularly pre- and post- EU referendum.

Well Wallonia have exercised their rights under Belgian law. Doesn't this prove that member states still have control, and are sovereign enough to overrule the EU when they need to.

Well it appears not. Wallonia has made a deal with the Belgian government, which would still have to be agreed by the other 27 EU member states.

Annetje Oct 27th 2016 11:02 am

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Nissan to build new models in Sunderland and secure 7000 jobs despite Brexit vote | The Independent

Now we know where the 350 m Pounds are going !

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

DaveLovesDee Oct 27th 2016 12:03 pm

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An interesting poll.

Brexit: Would you ever change your mind?

Dick Dasterdly Oct 27th 2016 12:30 pm

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Juncker puts European jobs at risk warning firms no UK secret trade | World | News | Daily Express


"Junker puts countless European jobs at risk warning Euro firms NO secret trade with UK

EUROPEAN Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker put his own political dogma before millions of jobs today warning European industries to not negotiate in secret with the UK."

Dick Dasterdly Oct 27th 2016 12:33 pm

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Jean-Claude Juncker: EU chief hid offer of cooperation from member states claims Russia | Politics | News | Daily Express


"WHAT DEMOCRACY? Russia says Juncker BURIED offer of cooperation from elected leaders

RUSSIA has sensationally accused Brussels chief Jean-Claude Juncker of hiding an offer of increased co-operation from member states in a shocking subversion of democracy."

Sad state of affairs when even Russia can claim the high ground over the Eu with regard to Democracy.

amideislas Oct 27th 2016 12:34 pm

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EU exports to Britain: 7.5%
British exports to EU: 48%

Dick Dasterdly Oct 27th 2016 12:42 pm

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Fast and smooth: World Trade Organisation head Roberto Azevedo said the Brexit transition would not be disruptive | City A.M.


"UK's transition out of the European Union will be fast and smooth and there will be no disruption to trade, the head of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) said today."


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