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JamesM Oct 26th 2016 7:12 pm

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Originally Posted by TGA (Post 12087245)
shhhh the man is speaking!!

Brilliant at the end when they call him out for false figures.

One thing I completely agree on is the EU as an entity is bloated and expensive and needs to be reformed and streamlined.

amideislas Oct 26th 2016 7:21 pm

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Well, but that's a strictly British viewpoint. It has been proven that the EU is actually quite a bit more efficient than say, the UK government expenditures, if you compare it on equal terms. A "bargain" by all measures.

The EU budget – a tough nut for the UK


The EU budget funds various policies and programmes administered directly by ‘Brussels’, as well as the various institutions, such as the European Commission and the European Parliament. The EU budget has an annual outlay of around €150 billion in recent years, which amounts to around 1% of the gross domestic product of the EU.

By contrast, the proportion of GDP spent by the federal level of government in mature federations such as the United States, Canada or, indeed, Germany is around 20-25% of GDP, highlighting the rather limited scale and scope of the EU level by comparison. Almost all the public spending that takes place in EU countries is, instead, undertaken by national, regional and local governments.

In aggregate, these other levels of government for account for just under 98% of all public spending, with just over 2% spent by the various supranational institutions, principally the European Commission.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 26th 2016 7:33 pm

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World Bank rules Britain most business-friendly major economy | Daily Mail Online


UK comes top of G7 group of industrialised countries in annual index on ease of doing business.

Britain is one place ahead of the US and SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER NATION IN THE EUROZONE.

amideislas Oct 26th 2016 7:36 pm

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That's nice Dick.

Let's see what happens if the UK leaves the EU. It may still be a place where anyone can establish a UK Ltd. company in one day for £30. But it will be a far smaller market to sell to - and one that's struggling economically. If you're looking for a jurisdiction to set up a tax-free offshore company, Seychelles, BVI, Belize, Costa Rica, and Panama still look better.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 26th 2016 7:42 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12087321)
Brilliant at the end when they call him out for false figures.

One thing I completely agree on is the EU as an entity is bloated and expensive and needs to be reformed and streamlined.

The Eu is long past the stage where it can be reformed.

It needs to be totally dismantled and a New Fully Democratic organisation started from scratch.

Frédéric Lordon: The European Union must be dismantled in the interest of democracy - Frontpage - e-flux conversations

"But as Frédéric Lordon argues at the Verso blog36, it is impossible to re-democratize the EU because it was not designed to be democratic in the first place.
Instead, it was a neoliberal project designed to concentrate financial and political power in the hands of certain transnational bodies and certain strong national governments, like German. If we want greater democracy in Europe, writes Lordon, the EU must be dismantled, not repaired. "


"Given how unable it is to transform itself, the European Union can now only choose by what means it will disappear: through obstinacy and a terminal explosion, or an ordered deconstruction process. And an ordered process means a mutually agreed path, a sort of cooperative dissolution agreement, coolly-made. We might mention in passing that if there is indeed a point of convergence that increasingly does look likely to emerge, it is that of everyone understanding that they have a common interest in cutting their losses."

DaveLovesDee Oct 26th 2016 8:12 pm

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12087321)
Brilliant at the end when they call him out for false figures.

:goodpost:


One thing I completely agree on is the EU as an entity is bloated and expensive and needs to be reformed and streamlined.
As Ami says,


Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12087330)
Well, but that's a strictly British viewpoint. It has been proven that the EU is actually quite a bit more efficient than say, the UK government expenditures, if you compare it on equal terms. A "bargain" by all measures.

The EU budget – a tough nut for the UK

How do you think it could/should be streamlined?

The EU's civil service is about the same size as the number of Birmingham council employees.

Dick Dasterdly Oct 26th 2016 8:12 pm

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"The head of the World Trade Organisation, Roberto Azevedo has dismissed claims by those trying to overturn the referendum result that EU/UK trade will be affected by Brexit."

On the issue, Azevedo said, "Trade will not stop. There will be no vacuum or disruption in trade flow or anything of the kind."

Dick Dasterdly Oct 26th 2016 8:16 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12087375)
The EU's civil service is about the same size as the number of Birmingham council employees.

A more utterly meaningless and ridiculous comparison it would be difficult to imagine.

:rofl:

Dick Dasterdly Oct 26th 2016 8:20 pm

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London is voted the best city in the world for quality of life | Daily Mail Online

What, no mention of Berlin or Frankfurt ? :confused:

Can't be right. :rofl:

DaveLovesDee Oct 26th 2016 8:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12087382)
A more utterly meaningless and ridiculous comparison it would be difficult to imagine.

:rofl:

Says the Minister of utterly meaningless and ridiculous comparisons.

How about 'much smaller than the UK civil service'.

EMR Oct 26th 2016 8:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12087340)
World Bank rules Britain most business-friendly major economy | Daily Mail Online


UK comes top of G7 group of industrialised countries in annual index on ease of doing business.

Britain is one place ahead of the US and SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN ANY OTHER NATION IN THE EUROZONE.

Thats odd coming from you and other brexiters, was not one of your rants that EU regs were strangking british business .
Yet another brexit lie exposed.

EMR Oct 26th 2016 8:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 12087387)
London is voted the best city in the world for quality of life | Daily Mail Online

What, no mention of Berlin or Frankfurt ? :confused:

Can't be right. :rofl:

Not if you read your and other brexiters nonsense about, immigrants, overcrwoding, housing shortages, high rents etc.
Brexit claims are being dismissed one by one even by its own media cronies.

paulry Oct 26th 2016 8:27 pm

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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12087375)
The EU's civil service is about the same size as the number of Birmingham council employees.

34000?

I bet the average salary and benefits is far far greater than the average Birmingham council employee.

amideislas Oct 26th 2016 8:39 pm

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Actually the UK is famous for its generous benefits system. It's certainly far more generous than Germany or Spain, two places I have long term experience with.

Red Eric Oct 26th 2016 8:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12086975)
FT paywall. Sorry.

If you google the first line of the quote ami pasted, you can link to the article from the top result and bypass the paywall.

This works with FT articles (until you bust your monthly limit of x (15?) articles).

It doesn't work with The Times.


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