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SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 2:43 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982876)

Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982876)

Oh, just an idea.

Maybe I couldn't see clearly over the top of my champagne flute?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 2:53 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982880)
Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.

We'll likely keep freedom of movement anyway, to a large extent, so that we can trade with the EU bloc. Poor old Nige is still going to have his traffic jams.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 2:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982751)

Originally Posted by lutonlad (Post 11982746)
It's the real Labour voters who helped bring this about - not Corbyns coalition of elitist Guardianistas and activist thugs. Examples of the former being evident on this thread. Their superior stance and smug hypocrisy has been left wanting.

People keep using the term "elites" - who exactly are these people? Specifically I mean.

I don't know for sure (and perhaps I'm just being superior again) but I suspect he might have been making reference to me with the "elitist Guardianistas", "smug hypocrisy" and, on another post "pseudo socialists".

I love the balance of trade of insults on here. It's in my favour as I get out so much more than I ever put in - a nett beneficiary, as it were.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982899)
We'll likely keep freedom of movement anyway, to a large extent, so that we can trade with the EU bloc. Poor old Nige is still going to have his traffic jams.

The traffic jams were never to do with the EU anyway. Even if net migration was 1,000,000, which I doubt it was, 2% of the population are not causing overcrowded roads. Immigrants don't just leave customs and go right to the used car lot; Flange is a bloody idiot.

Also, net migration includes all countries. Even without free movement, there are 169 countries outside of the EU that could still potentially contribute to that. Jesus.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:05 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982915)
The traffic jams were never to do with the EU anyway. Even if net migration was 1,000,000, which I doubt it was, 2% of the population are not causing overcrowded roads. Immigrants don't just leave customs and go right to the used car lot; Flange is a bloody idiot.

Also, net migration includes all countries. Even without free movement, there are 169 countries outside of the EU that could still potentially contribute to that. Jesus.

Well you know that.

And I know that.

But just over half of the UK succumbed to mass hysteria pushed out by some very objectionable people.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982919)
Well you know that.

And I know that.

But just over half of the UK succumbed to mass hysteria pushed out by some very objectionable people.

This is not the UK I left, nor is it the one you left. It's more foreign to me now than the US ever was, in reflection. I'm quite irrationally sad today, made to feel this way by the country of my birth.

NI voted to stay in though, I suppose I have that grain of hope. For what it is.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982880)
Holy shit :blink:

It's funny that the leave camp thinks this is going to make immigration just go away. The US was never in the EU and it takes in about a million immigrants each year, and that's just the legal ones.

Granted, the UK is an island, but if these people think it's as simple as leaving the EU then bang - no more illegals, they are in for a rude awakening. Especially since the UK still shares a land border with an EU country.

Well, the immigration argument was just a red herring anyway. I have to suspect that deregulation of the UK's single most powerful business sector has more than just a minor influence here (well, London's largest sector, which is effectively the single most prominent offering the UK has in the global market moving forward)

Nonetheless, the UK will survive, even if this truly marks the final end to the "empire", and renders a more realistic and proportional global "footprint" than it's historically held.

I really hope the UK can now focus on itself and get out of Europe altogether, rather than spending so much energy fearing and inhibiting Europe. But we won't be leaving anytime soon, so that's probably wishful thinking.

We shall see.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 3:11 pm

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Originally Posted by paulry (Post 11982757)
It also has the scope for ushering in a different kind of globalisation - one where the main beneficiaries will be hard working people and their families, instead of big business.

I look forward to having a discussion about that once the new non-elite politicians have revealed the plans they've been preparing for improving the rights and incomes of hard working and, indeed, non-working or otherwise vulnerable people.

Would you have any idea when we might be able to start talking? - I'll schedule it in my diary.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982930)
I look forward to having a discussion about that once the new non-elite politicians have revealed the plans they've been preparing for improving the rights and incomes of hard working and, indeed, non-working or otherwise vulnerable people.

Would you have any idea when we might be able to start talking? - I'll schedule it in my diary.

I am also looking for this appointment.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 3:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982935)
I am also looking for this appointment.

Perhaps la mancha will be free to join us, too?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:16 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982928)
This is not the UK I left, nor is it the one you left. It's more foreign to me now than the US ever was, in reflection. I'm quite irrationally sad today, made to feel this way by the country of my birth.

NI voted to stay in though, I suppose I have that grain of hope. For what it is.

I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982939)
Perhaps la mancha will be free to join us, too?

Bunting. We need bunting.

Really though, how can people possibly have been so gullible?

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:19 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982929)
Well, the immigration argument was just a red herring anyway. I have to suspect that deregulation of the UK's single most powerful business sector has more than just a minor influence here (well, London's largest sector, which is effectively the single most prominent offering the UK has in the global market moving forward)

Nonetheless, the UK will survive, even if this truly marks the final end to the "empire", and renders a more realistic and proportional global "footprint" than it's historically held.

I really hope the UK can now focus on itself and get out of Europe altogether, rather than spending so much energy fearing and inhibiting Europe. But we won't be leaving anytime soon, so that's probably wishful thinking.

We shall see.

Immigration is what it is. Staying in or leaving, it wouldn't have changed anything, so I suppose Flange will have to find something else to be scared of now.

As far as everything else goes - I still feel the UK would have been better served staying in and taking a greater role within the EU, rather than just running away and hoping it lands on its feet.

Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. Maybe the EU will finally get the formula right and now the UK will be left behind because it jumped ship early instead of getting its hands dirty and fixing it.

moneypenny20 Jun 24th 2016 3:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982940)
I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.

I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:24 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982940)
I partly agree.

But it is also the UK I grew up in, with the neo-Nazis parading, the Saturday-night "Paki bashing" - and equally, the response of normal, decent people to shut it down. It is always possible for the unscrupulous to whip up the fear of foreigners and general nastiness, unfortunately. But I am angry and embarrassed today, explaining this garbage to my American colleagues here at work. Not proud at all today. And yes, sad.

However, giving up is out of the question. These idiots cannot have my country.

I was largely isolated from that in NI. We didn't have a lot of colonial immigrants that I remember. A lot of Chinese settled in NI though and I think for the most part we treated them well.

Yes, I may have grew up in a corner of the UK where we had our own unique brand of problems, but when it came down to it, I still got the sense that we were all 'in it together', especially in the post 'ceasefire' years as I reached adulthood.

Leaving the EU like this, over fear of intangibles - that isn't the Britain that was once the most powerful nation on the planet. It is weak, cowardly. Again, just disappointing.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:25 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11982952)
I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.

What, you don't think that Boris has the interests of "ordinary people" at heart? Well I never.

No giving up though.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:26 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982954)
I was largely isolated from that in NI. We didn't have a lot of colonial immigrants that I remember. A lot of Chinese settled in NI though and I think for the most part we treated them well.

Yes, I may have grew up in a corner of the UK where we had our own unique brand of problems, but when it came down to it, I still got the sense that we were all 'in it together', especially in the post 'ceasefire' years as I reached adulthood.

Leaving the EU like this, over fear of intangibles - that isn't the Britain that was once the most powerful nation on the planet. It is weak, cowardly. Again, just disappointing.

Agreed all round.

Red Eric Jun 24th 2016 3:27 pm

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 11982952)
I was quite surprised to feel as sad as I did. Hey ho, shit happens, life goes on although if Johnson somehow becomes PM I might be tempted to give up.

B...b....b...but he's anti-establishment! Surely he's got to be better than the EU dictatorship and the elites.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 11982962)
B...b....b...but he's anti-establishment! Surely he's got to be better than the EU dictatorship and the elites.

He has the best interests of ordinary people at heart.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...25_634x489.jpg

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982966)
He has the best interests of ordinary people at heart.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...25_634x489.jpg

Wow, we have photographic evidence that he also had access to a comb at one point as well.

Look at those bloody toffs. I bet he's eaten his share of digestives, though ... :scarper:

Fredbargate Jun 24th 2016 3:42 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11982680)
Luckily for us, British tourism accounts for a mere fraction of tourism revenues here, so the inevitable decline of it will only have a limited effect.

Fortunately, Germans should still have reasonably respectable disposable income, so I doubt that segment will be affected much. Besides, they don't share the same fear of foreigners, so it doesn't "scare" them to go abroad.

Although it's ironic that the scariest place around here is Magaluf.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lXj86DFlZ2g

Will that still be the case after they are left single handed to bail out the rest of the EU?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 3:49 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982971)
I bet he's eaten his share of digestives, though ... :scarper:

Eton boy. I think it's part of the curriculum there.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982989)
Eton boy. I think it's part of the curriculum there.

Yes. Eton Mess isn't really a dessert.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 3:56 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982944)
Immigration is what it is. Staying in or leaving, it wouldn't have changed anything, so I suppose Flange will have to find something else to be scared of now.

As far as everything else goes - I still feel the UK would have been better served staying in and taking a greater role within the EU, rather than just running away and hoping it lands on its feet.

Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. Maybe the EU will finally get the formula right and now the UK will be left behind because it jumped ship early instead of getting its hands dirty and fixing it.

Oh, me too. The best place for Britain to be right now is inside. Period. But Brits just aren't in the mood at the moment. Besides, the UK would have eventually left anyway, albeit on far less adverse terms.

But OK, we voted for it. Now live with it.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 3:58 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 11983000)
Oh, me too. The best place for Britain to be right now is inside. Period. But Brits just aren't in the mood at the moment. Besides, the UK would have eventually left anyway, albeit on far less adverse terms.

But OK, we voted for it. Now live with it.

I get what you mean. I don't live there anymore anyway, so I don't really have to live with it as such, but in the end, we still don't have to like it.

amideislas Jun 24th 2016 4:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11982982)
Will that still be the case after they are left single handed to bail out the rest of the EU?

Well, neither Germany nor Britain have done so far, and the eurozone is now on far better footing than it was in 2008, so that's unlikely. Germany actually has an export economy, so the UK (80% service economy) is likely to suffer a bit more than Germany.

kimilseung Jun 24th 2016 4:04 pm

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I hope I dont get stuck in America for ever now that Surinder Singh will be going the way of the dodo.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 4:27 pm

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Well done Brexit.

Brexit: Few Will Be Happier Than Vladimir Putin | LBC

This is also encouraging....

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7100596.html

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 4:47 pm

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Hadn't you seen the official logo for the Leave Campaign?

https://www.bradfordnetworks.com/wp-...6777431296.jpg

Bipat Jun 24th 2016 4:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11982989)
Eton boy. I think it's part of the curriculum there.

What should boys do who are sent to Eton by their wealthy parents? Run away from home? Shoot the parents?

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 5:00 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11983086)
What should boys do who are sent to Eton by their wealthy parents? Run away from home? Shoot the parents?

Avoid eating biscuits.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 5:01 pm

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Absolute tosh.

I doubt if Putin cares a toss.The EU will never rival Russia for power as claimed.
It is far too disjointed, fragmented and indecisive and therefore a threat to no one except itself.
The only thing Putin respects is NATO,probably the only reason peace has been maintained since WW2.

Having listened to some interviews from the London area, I certainly got the impression that most Remainers haven't got a clue what Brexit is all about. They got their orders to vote remain based on a small amount of incorrect prejudicial information and that's about all they knew. :cool:

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 5:01 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11983069)
Hadn't you seen the official logo for the Leave Campaign?

http://www.bradfordnetworks.com/wp-c...6777431296.jpg

That does explain a few things.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 5:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11983089)
Absolute tosh.

I doubt if Putin cares a toss.The EU will never rival Russia for power as claimed.
It is far too disjointed, fragmented and indecisive and therefore ia threat to no one except itself.
The only thing Putin respects is NATO,probably the only reason peace has been maintained since WW2.

I certainly got the impression that most Remainers haven't got a clue what Brexit is all about. They got their orders to vote remain based on a small amount of incorrect prejudicial information and that's about all they knew. :cool:

I'm going to start a poll on how many times you can say "absolute tosh" in one day.

Bipat Jun 24th 2016 5:04 pm

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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11982954)
I was largely isolated from that in NI. We didn't have a lot of colonial immigrants that I remember. A lot of Chinese settled in NI though and I think for the most part we treated them well.

Yes, I may have grew up in a corner of the UK where we had our own unique brand of problems, but when it came down to it, I still got the sense that we were all 'in it together', especially in the post 'ceasefire' years as I reached adulthood.

Leaving the EU like this, over fear of intangibles - that isn't the Britain that was once the most powerful nation on the planet. It is weak, cowardly. Again, just disappointing.

"Colonial immigrants"? Haven't heard them called that for a while! Or was it a euphemism for 'coloured' immigrants?:lol:
"The most powerful nation on the planet"!
The first came from the second. After independence and being able to keep their own assets many actually thought they would be welcome in the 'mother country' --and many did welcome them.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 24th 2016 5:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11983091)
I'm going to start a poll on how many times you can say "absolute tosh" in one day.

If it helps you get over your obvious after Brexit frustration, please feel free to do so. :cool:

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 5:08 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 11983097)
"Colonial immigrants"? Haven't heard them called that for a while! Or was it a euphemism for 'coloured' immigrants?:lol:
"The most powerful nation on the planet"!
The first came from the second. After independence and being able to keep their own assets many actually thought they would be welcome in the 'mother country' --and many did welcome them.

You completely (and predictably) misunderstood my entire post. Wonderful job, there.

Lion in Winter Jun 24th 2016 5:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11983103)
If it helps you get over your obvious after Brexit frustration, please feel free to do so. :cool:

I just listen to the real Tosh for that.

http://dangerousminds.net/home/dange...65_700_int.jpg

But you can be assured that I will do everything I can to counter and clean up the stream of xenophobic filth that has flowed over the country.

SultanOfSwing Jun 24th 2016 5:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 11983109)
I just listen to the real Tosh for that.

http://dangerousminds.net/home/dange...65_700_int.jpg

But you can be assured that I will do everything I can to counter and clean up the stream of xenophobic filth that has flowed over the country.

This is the real Tosh ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...3/ql0pcYku.jpg


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