Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12549943)

:confused:

When was anything ever applied to illegal immigrants, other than procedures for removal? And are you talking about the perfectly legal immigrants of the Windrush debacle, who should never have been deported or ordered to leave?

Bloody Guardian, making a fuss about nothing, eh?

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12549951)

Is that another lie or just that you can't make your mind up how you used it?

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549969)

You only have to look back on this thread - mentioning persistent high net immigration and also ensuring the rights of existing migrants brings out accusations of being a Nazi (EMR) and calls of isolationism and apartheid (007Steve) or the usual bitter anti-English bigotry (Ami). You are clearly correct about the loons, but they're remainiac ones.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549975)

If I said "calm down dear" you'd know I was mimicking Cameron, ditto "swarm" of migrants. Try to pick a sensible argument, otherwise you'll just become a petty grammar nazi like LiW.

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12549947)

well, if that were the case, it's obviously a UK problem isn't it?

It certainly is enforced in Spain. And Germany (two places I'm intimately familiar with).

It's not "cannot". It's "does not". There's a difference.

It was 20 Years ago. You don't get away with that very easily anymore. Just like in the UK, there's still some of it, but nothing like it used to be. No doubt you'd be screaming "dictatorship" had your [cash, untaxed] business been subjected to unfair "rules" like that.

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12549967)

Not really, no.

In theory, EU citizens can be fined for not registering but not removed from the country for that alone but in practice, I've never heard of such a thing either in the news or on the forums. However, what used to be a fairly lax set of procedures has been tightened up a bit now, so you can't, for example, register in the health service without a resident registration certificate, which was possible years ago. And you need a tax number before you get the registration certificate. But there are still (allegedly) numerous unregistered Brits (and therefore presumably other EU citizens) residing full-time here. Nobody goes round knocking on doors or stopping you in the street demanding to see your papers for immigration purposes.

Originally Posted by GeniB (Post 12549973)

The definitive book on how and why we voted in the referendum....The Road to Somewhere..by David Goodheart....member of the Think Tank on immigration policy

Makes veeerrrrry interesting reading.....

A snippet....37% of Labour Voters ..voted to leave... Highest support for remain 57% was from the top social class's ( A's and B's)
People in council houses voted to leave Only 36% in the lowest social class's C2 D and E voted to Remain
People who had paid off their mortgages voted to leave 49% sat in the middle class's who voted to Remain

The divide was about Education,Mobility, Profession. The higher educated you were the more you were likely to have voted Remain.-ie 66% of graduates voted remain
This describes people as being divided into two tribes. Citizens of Somewhere ( Leave) or citizens of Anywhere ( remain)

Highly recommend this book.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549979)

It's good it is being tightened, the UK should be doing the same with ID cards and access to NHS etc.

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12549967)

Not really, no.

In theory, EU citizens can be fined for not registering but not removed from the country for that alone but in practice, I've never heard of such a thing either in the news or on the forums. However, what used to be a fairly lax set of procedures has been tightened up a bit now, so you can't, for example, register in the health service without a resident registration certificate, which was possible years ago. And you need a tax number before you get the registration certificate. But there are still (allegedly) numerous unregistered Brits (and therefore presumably other EU citizens) residing full-time here. Nobody goes round knocking on doors or stopping you in the street demanding to see your papers for immigration purposes.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12549977)

But if we don't take care of our language, the immigrants might swarm all over it and take it over.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549969)

You only have to look back on this thread - mentioning persistent high net immigration and also ensuring the rights of existing migrants brings out accusations of being a Nazi (EMR) and calls of isolationism and apartheid (007Steve) or the usual bitter anti-English bigotry (Ami). You are clearly correct about the loons, but they're remainiac ones.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549984)

Not that it needed any verification, but thanks.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12549977)

But if we don't take care of our language, the immigrants might swarm all over it and take it over.

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12549976)

No one has called you be Nazi, just man up and admit you have been shown up for what you are..
I would like to take you into a few pubs I know and see their reaction to calling them a swarm of fecund carbon units, and try and explain to them that you are just being ironic.as they politely ask you to leave via the pubs cat flap..

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12549971)

The Guardian was bemoaning the hostile environment against illegal immigrants way before Windrush.