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amideislas Aug 7th 2018 5:02 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by 007Steve (Post 12544376)
.... :nod: The Bully-at Work-Syndrome Annetje. He no-more believes his reasoning than Bush did for invading Iraq. Cuba's next.
As for the UK, this should be an object lesson to those who believe that any dealings with the US are equal, fair, or won't be ripped up in an instant.
Essentially the UK has made itself an economic battle-ground - quitting the EU puts it up for sale as 'Airstrip 1' for the US, a dumping ground for Australia's non-compliant produce, and the PRC's economic cast-offs..
It's just about what we all know; No-one owes anyone a living, you have to work in life, and the UK's non-working population is going to have to lose blubber, work for its bread and from now-on, get used to reduced living standards.


Well, nobody's going to work very hard at getting access to the UK market. Most just see it as incremental "low hanging fruit". Should be easy. The UK will be desperate to agree to almost anything just so (Brexit) politicians can maintain some shot at keeping their jobs. No doubt Trump's cronies already have their list of targets (e.g., NHS) in hand.

007Steve Aug 7th 2018 6:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544526)
But we don't have to be self-sufficient in food after Brexit, so it's a complete non-story from project fear.

You know CB, I've always found that to be THE most peculiar and illogical stance I've ever encountered - even before the EU..... Think about it for a minute....
Even the Bible recounts kings & rulers setting up grain & other stores in good years against times of famine that were inevitable. Yet, here are our rulers maintaining a policy that somebody else will always be able and willing to sell us their surpluses for the UK's recurring food deficit.
I know, I know - "I don't understand economics". Problem is you can't eat economics when the event or famine occurs.

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 7:11 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12544579)
Well, nobody's going to work very hard at getting access to the UK market. Most just see it as incremental "low hanging fruit". Should be easy. The UK will be desperate to agree to almost anything just so (Brexit) politicians can maintain some shot at keeping their jobs. No doubt Trump's cronies already have their list of targets (e.g., NHS) in hand.

Nobody is going to work very hard to access the market of the sixth largest economy in the world?

amideislas Aug 7th 2018 7:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544629)
Nobody is going to work very hard to access the market of the sixth largest economy in the world?

Likely 7th by then. But no doubt it'll still look crackin' to Zimbabwe or Ecuador. The big fish just see easy pickins. Like an estate auction.

Assanah Aug 7th 2018 7:31 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544629)
Nobody is going to work very hard to access the market of the sixth largest economy in the world?

No, nobody will. Because the UK will still buy international products on whatever terms they are sold. Selling things to countries with no FTA is not that difficult. The problem is the supply chain. It will not be possible to include the UK in the supply chain of EU manufacturers as it is now. So UK companies will be cut out. The products will be produced somewhere else and you will still buy them. Win win.

DaveLovesDee Aug 7th 2018 7:52 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
Weren't we the fifth largest economy prior to the Referendum vote. And much of that was because of benefits of being a gateway to the EU single market and customs union.

When we leave, those benefits aren't going to be available for countries exporting into the EU via the UK. They'll likely go direct to the EU countries instead.


Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544629)
Nobody is going to work very hard to access the market of the sixth largest economy in the world?

But maybe you're right. Maybe no-one is going to work hard at accessing the UK market. After all, there are still bigger markets that these countries will still have FTAs with post-Brexit.

And other countries will have seen the UK's 'negotiations' with the EU.

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 8:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12544636)
No, nobody will. Because the UK will still buy international products on whatever terms they are sold.

- surely Country A who has an FTA with the UK faces less hurdles and tariffs than country B who doesn't


Selling things to countries with no FTA is not that difficult.
Feel free to tell that to the remainiacs.


The problem is the supply chain.
A different issue entirely.


It will not be possible to include the UK in the supply chain of EU manufacturers as it is now.
Why not?

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 8:30 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12544635)
Likely 7th by then. But no doubt it'll still look crackin' to Zimbabwe or Ecuador. The big fish just see easy pickins. Like an estate auction.

Your hate for the UK is never-ending. It must suck joy from your soul.

The UK is one of the big fish, I've explained that to you many times.

EMR Aug 7th 2018 8:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544672)
Your hate for the UK is never-ending. It must suck joy from your soul.

The UK is one of the big fish, I've explained that to you many times.

A fish that is being left behind as other bigger fish get better at exploiting the seas they swim while the UK follows picking up scraps.

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 9:13 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12544679)
A fish that is being left behind as other bigger fish get better at exploiting the seas they swim while the UK follows picking up scraps.

The thing is, there are very few bigger fish.

amideislas Aug 7th 2018 9:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544671)
- surely Country A who has an FTA with the UK faces less hurdles and tariffs than country B who doesn't

And it should be easy to get, since the UK will be desperate and agree to almost anything.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544671)
Feel free to tell that to the remainiacs.

Erm, the UK is an import economy, dependent on importing goods for its sustenance. You can argue about where it gets its imports, but you can't argue that it doesn't need an FTA to buy them.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544671)
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A different issue entirely.

Supply chains are the entire problem.


Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544671)
Why not?

Because the UK will no longer be an EU member state. Unless you get the cake, but that's been pretty much ruled out by everyone involved.

amideislas Aug 7th 2018 9:18 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544683)
The thing is, there are very few bigger fish.

than England?

Ahh, the truth comes out. Fog in the channel again. So "yesterday".

amideislas Aug 7th 2018 9:21 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12544672)
Your hate for the UK is never-ending. It must suck joy from your soul.

The UK is one of the big fish, I've explained that to you many times.

The UK's delusional behaviour seems never ending.

As of March, 2019, England will no longer be a big fish. It will be just an island off the coast of the world's largest market.

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 10:11 pm

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12544685)
than England?

Ahh, the truth comes out. Fog in the channel again. So "yesterday".

As the sixth largest economy in the world, there are few bigger economic fish than the UK - this is called a "fact", I appreciate you have little experience of these.

Cape Blue Aug 7th 2018 10:13 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12544688)
The UK's delusional behaviour seems never ending.

As of March, 2019, England will no longer be a big fish. It will be just an island off the coast of the world's largest market.

Ridiculous hyperbole, the UK will continue to be a top-10 global economy, a security council member and at the forefront of international politics and economics.

It's called the UK by the way, England is just one constituent of the entity that is leaving the EU.


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