Go Back  British Expats > General > Take it Outside!
Reload this Page >

Post EU Referendum

Post EU Referendum

Old Jun 11th 2018, 11:02 pm
  #34471  
Sidecar Falcon
 
DigitalGhost's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 9,178
DigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Today's events regarding that boat in the Mediterranean really proved that the EU has no intention on protecting its exterior borders properly.

Both Malta and Italy argued over which one of them should take it before Spain caved and accepted it.

Really the people on that boat should have been given supplies and any urgent medical assistance and it should have been sent straight back to Libya. None of them should ever have been allowed to set foot on European soil. Accepting the entry of those people into western Europe is just playing into their hands and encouraging more and more of them to follow.
DigitalGhost is offline  
Old Jun 11th 2018, 11:29 pm
  #34472  
So long...
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 22,471
DaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Today's events regarding that boat in the Mediterranean really proved that the EU has no intention on protecting its exterior borders properly.

Both Malta and Italy argued over which one of them should take it before Spain caved and accepted it.

Really the people on that boat should have been given supplies and any urgent medical assistance and it should have been sent straight back to Libya. None of them should ever have been allowed to set foot on European soil. Accepting the entry of those people into western Europe is just playing into their hands and encouraging more and more of them to follow.
Such compassion......
DaveLovesDee is offline  
Old Jun 11th 2018, 11:39 pm
  #34473  
Sidecar Falcon
 
DigitalGhost's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 9,178
DigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Such compassion......
What's compassionate about encouraging even more people to make an extremely dangerous clandestine sea voyage, often with their very young kids in tow?
DigitalGhost is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 12:50 am
  #34474  
So long...
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 22,471
DaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond reputeDaveLovesDee has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
What's compassionate about encouraging even more people to make an extremely dangerous clandestine sea voyage, often with their very young kids in tow?
Is anyone encouraging this? Or merely not discouraging it enough in some people's opinion.......

The journey may be dangerous, but not as dangerous long-term as remaining in some of the areas they're fleeing from.

Clandestine, because those ships will be stopped by the forces these people are fleeing from.

Until either you or I are in those kinds of positions, how do you know you wouldn't do the same?
DaveLovesDee is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 6:46 am
  #34475  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 4,891
materialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Such compassion......
Europe can't afford to be compassionate (or complacent about some of these "refugees" either).

If you're happy to let them flood in, perhaps you can ****ing pay for it; because I certainly don't want to.
materialcontroller is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 7:02 am
  #34476  
Sidecar Falcon
 
DigitalGhost's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 9,178
DigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond reputeDigitalGhost has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Is anyone encouraging this? Or merely not discouraging it enough in some people's opinion.......

The journey may be dangerous, but not as dangerous long-term as remaining in some of the areas they're fleeing from.

Clandestine, because those ships will be stopped by the forces these people are fleeing from.

Until either you or I are in those kinds of positions, how do you know you wouldn't do the same?
Whether or not we would do the same is entirely irrelevant. Europe's actions are still allowing them, and to some degree even encouraging them, to break the law.

Europe really needs a policy more akin to that of Australia and more importantly they need to stick to it. Unfortunately it's unlikely to ever really happen though because Europe lack the guts, solidarity and determination to pull it off.
DigitalGhost is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 7:35 am
  #34477  
EMR
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 26,724
EMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Whether or not we would do the same is entirely irrelevant. Europe's actions are still allowing them, and to some degree even encouraging them, to break the law.

Europe really needs a policy more akin to that of Australia and more importantly they need to stick to it. Unfortunately it's unlikely to ever really happen though because Europe lack the guts, solidarity and determination to pull it off.
Huge holes in your argument.
Australia is a Sovereign nation , Europe is a geographical area and the EU is not a nation but a group ofv27 soon to be 26 sovereign nations .
EMR is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 7:35 am
  #34478  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Location: In the middle of the continent
Posts: 1,866
Assanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond reputeAssanah has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Whether or not we would do the same is entirely irrelevant. Europe's actions are still allowing them, and to some degree even encouraging them, to break the law.

Europe really needs a policy more akin to that of Australia and more importantly they need to stick to it. Unfortunately it's unlikely to ever really happen though because Europe lack the guts, solidarity and determination to pull it off.
Instead of whining about the gutless Europeans you should be planning on how to protect your borders and how to maintain a worthy customs system. I am looking forward to see how the UK will stem the tide.
Assanah is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 7:37 am
  #34479  
Who - me?
 
Red Eric's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Location: Arcos de Valdevez "Onde Portugal se fez"
Posts: 13,355
Red Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Today's events regarding that boat in the Mediterranean really proved that the EU has no intention on protecting its exterior borders properly.

Both Malta and Italy argued over which one of them should take it before Spain caved and accepted it.
Yes, it's good to see a bit of positive action from another southern EU country on this. Amazing what a difference a change of government can make in terms of nations acting in a spirit of cooperation.

The move was lauded by the President of Portugal as "the true European spirit" and drew a comment from the Prime Minister criticising the lack of solidarity in distributing and assimilating those refugees who arrive in Europe. "Solidarity doesn't exist only in the distribution of EU funds", he said, before going on to say that the system needs reconsidering in terms of treating refugees as human beings with life projects rather than objects to be shunted around, something which needs to be dealt with by the EU as a whole and not just those countries on the front line in terms of refugee arrivals.

Nice to see the beginnings of a drift away from the rhetoric of the recent past and perhaps the beginnings of louder strains of actually getting to grips with something that isn't going to be made to go away by the turning of backs and refusals to cooperate. Bring a bit more pressure to bear on the foot-draggers.

Red Eric is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 7:44 am
  #34480  
Who - me?
 
Red Eric's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Location: Arcos de Valdevez "Onde Portugal se fez"
Posts: 13,355
Red Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond reputeRed Eric has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
... the EU is not a nation but a group ofv27 soon to be 26 sovereign nations .
Is another one going already?
Red Eric is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 8:07 am
  #34481  
Preparing to move again
 
Annetje's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Location: Charente Maritime
Posts: 5,705
Annetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond reputeAnnetje has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by Assanah View Post
Instead of whining about the gutless Europeans you should be planning on how to protect your borders and how to maintain a worthy customs system. I am looking forward to see how the UK will stem the tide.
At the moment JRM wants to leave Dover wide open whilst May wants to leave the Irish border open ... so far ''taking back control''.
Annetje is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 8:26 am
  #34482  
EMR
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 26,724
EMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond reputeEMR has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
Europe can't afford to be compassionate (or complacent about some of these "refugees" either).

If you're happy to let them flood in, perhaps you can ****ing pay for it; because I certainly don't want to.
Strange how ignorant of basic facts brexiter are, Europe is not a nation, who is asking you to pay for anything..
EMR is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 8:31 am
  #34483  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 4,891
materialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond reputematerialcontroller has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Strange how ignorant of basic facts brexiter are, Europe is not a nation, who is asking you to pay for anything..
Must have been a different EU that ordered member states to take a share of refugee arrivals and threatened to impose large fines on those that didn't comply.
materialcontroller is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 8:52 am
  #34484  
Reasonable Bitch
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 18,139
amideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

I sense DG (and others) are naturally, making the simplistic (and misguided) presumption that refugees are simply given passports and allowed to roam free as soon as they land (as the Italians have done in the past - simply giving them train tickets to Germany). Of course, that's hardly the case. Spain, in particular, exhibits a pretty tough immigration policy, and doesn't just "let anyone in". They'll be detained, processed, allowed to apply for asylum, and *if* they qualify, will be subject to all of the many hurdles to achieving the right to live in the EU. Or else be deported back to their home country (if it is not deemed a threat to their life), per international law (not EU law).

​​​​​​It's probably actually a good thing that Italy refused them, because otherwise, they might just give them train tickets a tell them to go somewhere else. It's good to know there's at least one adult in the room.
amideislas is offline  
Old Jun 12th 2018, 8:57 am
  #34485  
Reasonable Bitch
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 18,139
amideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond reputeamideislas has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Post EU Referendum

Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
Must have been a different EU that ordered member states to take a share of refugee arrivals and threatened to impose large fines on those that didn't comply.
Im not aware of any "order" coming from the EU regarding this, although the EU did in fact request that member states share the burden. Some members did, some not.

But aside from ratified legislation that all member States agreed to, I'm not aware of any unilaterally imposed "orders" coming from the EU ever.
amideislas is offline  

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.