Post EU Referendum
May 20th 2018, 1:41 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
That was me widening my sources. I had to include a link to that commie Corbynite leftist rag through gritted teeth. 
There's an occasional article from a progressive left commentator but they're in very short supply indeed and you'd be hard pushed to find much in praise of Corbyn.
They did publish a good longish piece about Caroline Lucas a while back - it included some comments from her about the workings of Westminster and what an eye-opener it had been for her to witness it at first hand. Should make quite interesting reading for anybody, especially those who constantly bangs on about a lack of democracy and transparency in the EU.
May 20th 2018, 1:57 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Red Eric
There's an occasional article from a progressive left commentator but they're in very short supply indeed and you'd be hard pushed to find much in praise of Corbyn.
May 20th 2018, 1:59 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
This one is only 5 days old and I would hardly say that it paints Corbyn in a negative light. But hey, as long as they're not seen to support the Conservatives or UKIP then anything else is fair game, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-negotiations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-negotiations
May 20th 2018, 2:18 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
You're missing the point. They would happily pull out of the UK as soon as it no longer met their financial objectives. That's with or without the EU and there have been examples of Asian corporations doing that in the past.
Remaining in the EU would not promise the continuation of their investment.
Remaining in the EU would not promise the continuation of their investment.
Fortunately every report almost daily suggest Brexit light .
May apparently tore a strip of Smog at a meeting This week.
May 20th 2018, 2:34 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
Then why is it that all of the crazies Lefties I've met seem to love both Corbyn and The Guardian?
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
I can understand that they might be odd bed fellows especially in light of the face that Corbyn is hardly pro-EU. He is in favour of installing himself as some sort of Stalinist personality cult dictator but doesn't seem to like the EU very much.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
This one is only 5 days old and I would hardly say that it paints Corbyn in a negative light. But hey, as long as they're not seen to support the Conservatives or UKIP then anything else is fair game, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/15/corbyn-wise-to-keep-his-powder-dry-over-brexit-negotiations
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/15/corbyn-wise-to-keep-his-powder-dry-over-brexit-negotiations
I'll save you the bother of looking any further, though - I did say they were rare, not non-existent. The balance of opinion pieces is heavily critical, which makes your claim that the paper is "Corbynite" false.
May 20th 2018, 2:57 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
Then why is it that all of the crazies Lefties I've met seem to love both Corbyn and The Guardian? I can understand that they might be odd bed fellows especially in light of the face that Corbyn is hardly pro-EU. He is in favour of installing himself as some sort of Stalinist personality cult dictator but doesn't seem to like the EU very much.
May 20th 2018, 3:13 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
The issue the Labour leadership has is that it does not see its role as offering a viable alternative to the Conservatives on Brexit.
As evidenced in the interview this morning on the Andrew Mar prog..
The labour candidate in an upcoming selection is pro remaining in the singke market and if elected would join those Labour and Tory rebels in voting against their party hierarchies..
As evidenced in the interview this morning on the Andrew Mar prog..
The labour candidate in an upcoming selection is pro remaining in the singke market and if elected would join those Labour and Tory rebels in voting against their party hierarchies..
May 20th 2018, 3:28 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
Or because the EU was the only bloc that was misguided enough to assume that total FoM would be a good idea. Even Australia and New Zealand and the US and Canada opted for bilateral visa systems rather than total FoM and those are smaller trade pacts made up of far wealthier, more civilised, prosperous and stable nations than today's EU.
If FoM wasn't considered a terrible enough idea back in the 1980's then it absolutely should have been repealed or overhauled ahead of Eastern European accession.
If FoM wasn't considered a terrible enough idea back in the 1980's then it absolutely should have been repealed or overhauled ahead of Eastern European accession.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
If that's their only policy, and it's a policy with which I agree to some extent, then they should just stick to that rather than Caroline Lucas constantly running her mouth and chiming in on topics that don't concern her party such as the foreign aid budget, EU membership and immigration policy.
As an MP, Caroline Lucas is absolutely within her rights to discuss foreign aid, EU membership (of which we have 3 MEPs), and immigration policy.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
How many times do I need to tell you? I'm quite sure that I know more about Japanese culture than you do and I'm telling you now, they would quite happily pull out in a heartbeat as soon as Britain no longer met their financial or business objectives, EU membership or not.
In fact I read an article in a free newspaper for Japanese expats that they hand out in London Mitsukoshi. It stated that several Japanese finance firms were considering doing just that because the UK was making it harder for their execs to obtain ILR or sponsor dependents and that was a year or so before the referendum.
Nintendo actually did just that a couple of decades ago. They moved their Europe base to Frankfurt because Germany offered them a sweeter package. Japanese corporations couldn't give a toss for your financial stability so I don't see why we should have to care so much about theirs.
In fact I read an article in a free newspaper for Japanese expats that they hand out in London Mitsukoshi. It stated that several Japanese finance firms were considering doing just that because the UK was making it harder for their execs to obtain ILR or sponsor dependents and that was a year or so before the referendum.
Nintendo actually did just that a couple of decades ago. They moved their Europe base to Frankfurt because Germany offered them a sweeter package. Japanese corporations couldn't give a toss for your financial stability so I don't see why we should have to care so much about theirs.
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...m-green-brexit
It is possible to be slightly critical of something yet still blindly support it regardless of its many, many flaws.
It is possible to be slightly critical of something yet still blindly support it regardless of its many, many flaws.
Originally Posted by Red Eric
Now that you've found it was the work of seconds to locate a pro Brexit article in there, perhaps you'll be tempted to check it out more often.
There's an occasional article from a progressive left commentator but they're in very short supply indeed and you'd be hard pushed to find much in praise of Corbyn.
They did publish a good longish piece about Caroline Lucas a while back - it included some comments from her about the workings of Westminster and what an eye-opener it had been for her to witness it at first hand. Should make quite interesting reading for anybody, especially those who constantly bangs on about a lack of democracy and transparency in the EU.
There's an occasional article from a progressive left commentator but they're in very short supply indeed and you'd be hard pushed to find much in praise of Corbyn.
They did publish a good longish piece about Caroline Lucas a while back - it included some comments from her about the workings of Westminster and what an eye-opener it had been for her to witness it at first hand. Should make quite interesting reading for anybody, especially those who constantly bangs on about a lack of democracy and transparency in the EU.
May 20th 2018, 3:49 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
FoM works for the EU as there are large numbers of people (c500 million) within close proximity, that's 1.5 x the US population. And the US basically has had free movement across it's member states a lot longer than the EU has. Though it would be a more appropriate if the EU were a country.
The US works because all states are relatively similar in terms of economy, culture, language and belief systems. Yes there are some disparities and cracks but nothing like on the scale of the EU. Additionally, America is very adapt at controlling the number of outsiders permitted into its population and workforce, yet another area where continental Europe struggles miserably.
I already pointed out some issues with the EU's democratic system several posts ago.
May 20th 2018, 3:53 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
But leaving significantly increases the risk, so much for Brexit concern for the British economy and British jobs.
Fortunately every report almost daily suggest Brexit light .
May apparently tore a strip of Smog at a meeting This week.
Fortunately every report almost daily suggest Brexit light .
May apparently tore a strip of Smog at a meeting This week.
May 20th 2018, 4:03 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
I agree but a risk is a risk regardless. The truth is that the UK shouldn't be so dependent on foreign investment anyway really. It gives foreign governments far too much power over another country's economy and creates a conflict of interest.
May 20th 2018, 4:34 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
BET365 are off from Gibraltar to Malta as a result of Brexit taking 1000 jobs with them.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
Bet365 – one of the world’s leading online gambling groups – has finalised plans to relocate its operations to Malta from Gibraltar as soon as the UK exits the European Union next year, The Sunday Times of Malta can reveal.
The group, owned by a British family and according to its latest published accounts (2015) having had a revenue of €1.5 billion, is expected to relocate some 1,000 employees from its operations in Gibraltar, significantly boosting Malta’s economy and dependence on the online gambling industry.
The group, owned by a British family and according to its latest published accounts (2015) having had a revenue of €1.5 billion, is expected to relocate some 1,000 employees from its operations in Gibraltar, significantly boosting Malta’s economy and dependence on the online gambling industry.
May 20th 2018, 4:35 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
BET365 are off from Gibraltar to Malta as a result of Brexit taking 1000 jobs with them.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
Bet365 – one of the world’s leading online gambling groups – has finalised plans to relocate its operations to Malta from Gibraltar as soon as the UK exits the European Union next year, The Sunday Times of Malta can reveal.
The group, owned by a British family and according to its latest published accounts (2015) having had a revenue of €1.5 billion, is expected to relocate some 1,000 employees from its operations in Gibraltar, significantly boosting Malta’s economy and dependence on the online gambling industry.
The group, owned by a British family and according to its latest published accounts (2015) having had a revenue of €1.5 billion, is expected to relocate some 1,000 employees from its operations in Gibraltar, significantly boosting Malta’s economy and dependence on the online gambling industry.
May 20th 2018, 5:31 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by jimenato
BET365 are off from Gibraltar to Malta as a result of Brexit taking 1000 jobs with them.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
This won't be of much concern to Brexiteers I would imagine as it doesn't really affect the UK but I have several friends who work for them in Gibraltar so it's sad for them.
Apparently the purchase contract for the property comes into force on the day the UK leaves the EU.
Those who don't transfer to Malta shouldn't have too much trouble being absorbed elsewhere,
May 20th 2018, 5:51 pm
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Annetje
And with that ''Truth'' you put an extra meter on the Brexit wall around the UK.
