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la mancha May 8th 2018 7:00 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496166)
OK, anyway, back to the point;

Doesn't it seem a little odd that, considering the cold reality of it all, the only people that can find any rationale to conclude that Brexit is a good idea is a minority of the British population? And of those, anyone who might question their wisdom is either themselves questionable, or a flat-out traitor (at least that's the way it often appears from outside the bubble). And by the way, the "rest of the world" has full access to the express, mail, and sun. It's not as though they don't see the ridiculousness of the arguments. Once you take away the flag-waving, the whole premise looks rather dubious.

You see, there you go again, talking and saying nothing. The whole premise looks rather dubious? To who? Those inside the EU bubble? Foreign media? Big business who are worried their cheap infinite labour pool will dry up? You? Or those who live here without hope of escape because we are stuck in the EU?

amideislas May 8th 2018 7:11 pm

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No, not at all. The whole thing is a paradoxical mess. Britain can't leave, and can't stay. It voted for a paradox. And now it has to live with it. And no matter what, it's not gonna be pretty. Leave or stay, or Brino. It's a choice of bad options.

​​​​​​Yes, staying would solve virtually all the technical problems, and return Britain to a healthy economic state, but it would cause pretty dramatic political chaos.

Leaving (in the real sense) has no upside whatsoever. And if England pushes Britain off that precipice, the electorate will turn on it.

Brino is like remaining. Has all the benefits, but is just a façade. And the brexiteers will go berserk. Political chaos again.

No, it's not pretty. No matter how you slice it.

DigitalGhost May 8th 2018 7:28 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496194)
​​​​​​Yes, staying would solve virtually all the technical problems, and return Britain to a healthy economic state, but it would cause pretty dramatic political chaos.

Really? Because I'm not altogether sure that it would.

amideislas May 8th 2018 7:38 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12496201)
Really? Because I'm not altogether sure that it would.

Irish border, business exodus, economic downsizing... For starters... Status quo. Technical problems solved.

Political problems go into the abyss though. Likely a government collapse, labour probably takes the reins (and that party isn't exactly on its game either).

The EU is fearing that May's government could collapse before this all gets sorted, in which case, they'll have a very unstable, chaotic, and angry nation sitting just off their shores. And nobody wants that.

But, that's what they (unwittingly) voted for...

DigitalGhost May 8th 2018 8:05 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496208)
Irish border, business exodus, economic downsizing... For starters... Status quo. Technical problems solved.

Political problems go into the abyss though. Likely a government collapse, labour probably takes the reins (and that party isn't exactly on its game either).

The EU is fearing that May's government could collapse before this all gets sorted, in which case, they'll have a very unstable, chaotic, and angry nation sitting just off their shores. And nobody wants that.

But, that's what they (unwittingly) voted for...

The truth is there is no leader or party capable of causing May's collapse right now. If there was then it would have already happened.

mikelincs May 8th 2018 8:08 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12496222)
The truth is there is no leader or party capable of causing May's collapse right now. If there was then it would have already happened.

The HoL might just do it, they have inflicted defeats numbers 11 and 12 on the 'Great Withdrawal Bill' by removing the date that Brexit will happen and also by trying to ensure that the UK stays in the majority of the EU groups for Space, etc.

amideislas May 8th 2018 8:08 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12496222)
The truth is there is no leader or party capable of causing May's collapse right now. If there was then it would have already happened.

if it happens, it will be the Tory party that does it. Or at least the hardliners. And it's not at all implausible. In fact, that chatter is growing daily.

by the way, you might have noticed that the government is already in chaos.

Red Eric May 8th 2018 8:54 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496194)
No, not at all. The whole thing is a paradoxical mess. Britain can't leave, and can't stay. It voted for a paradox. And now it has to live with it. And no matter what, it's not gonna be pretty. Leave or stay, or Brino. It's a choice of bad options.

​​​​​​Yes, staying would solve virtually all the technical problems, and return Britain to a healthy economic state, but it would cause pretty dramatic political chaos.

Leaving (in the real sense) has no upside whatsoever. And if England pushes Britain off that precipice, the electorate will turn on it.

Brino is like remaining. Has all the benefits, but is just a façade. And the brexiteers will go berserk. Political chaos again.

No, it's not pretty. No matter how you slice it.

Yes, but look on the bright side.

Nobody, other than the perpetually uninterested, could fail to notice whose mess it is. And at least some of those people will decide to vote differently next time round or the time after. You never know, Oh, Jeremy Corbyn might still be in charge at that stage - he does seem to have a higher than average stickability quotient :)

Annetje May 8th 2018 9:18 pm

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Did the Lords finaly corner Mayhem AND Corbyn ?

Cape Blue May 8th 2018 10:51 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 12495873)
If the UK doesn't sign up to a customs union with the EU, then any tariff-free trade agreed with the EU would have to be extended to whoever else the UK signs deals with, wouldn't it?

I don't see why - I don't think Canada is in the CU and yet still has an extensive FTA with non-tariffs.

DaveLovesDee May 8th 2018 10:57 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12496289)
I don't see why - I don't think Canada is in the CU and yet still has an extensive FTA with non-tariffs.

EU-Canada Customs Co-operation

jimenato May 8th 2018 11:00 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496194)
No, not at all. The whole thing is a paradoxical mess. Britain can't leave, and can't stay. It voted for a paradox. And now it has to live with it. And no matter what, it's not gonna be pretty. Leave or stay, or Brino. It's a choice of bad options.

​​​​​​Yes, staying would solve virtually all the technical problems, and return Britain to a healthy economic state, but it would cause pretty dramatic political chaos.

Leaving (in the real sense) has no upside whatsoever. And if England pushes Britain off that precipice, the electorate will turn on it.

Brino is like remaining. Has all the benefits, but is just a façade. And the brexiteers will go berserk. Political chaos again.

No, it's not pretty. No matter how you slice it.

This is a pretty accurate description of where we are right now - unfortunately.

jimenato May 8th 2018 11:04 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496194)
​​​​​​Yes, staying would solve virtually all the technical problems, and return Britain to a healthy economic state, but it would cause pretty dramatic political chaos..


Originally Posted by DigitalGhost (Post 12496201)
Really? Because I'm not altogether sure that it would.

What - do the solving or cause the chaos?

Cape Blue May 8th 2018 11:07 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee (Post 12496294)

Why do you post this sort of stuff?

We are talking about being in the CU and then you post something that is nothing to do with being in the CU as your reply.

Co-operation is part of an FTA and does not restrict Canada from agreeing FTAs with other countries, being in the CU would restrict the UK from agreeing FTAs.

It's just the typical remainiac fake new and obfuscation.

DigitalGhost May 8th 2018 11:29 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12496226)
if it happens, it will be the Tory party that does it. Or at least the hardliners. And it's not at all implausible. In fact, that chatter is growing daily.

by the way, you might have noticed that the government is already in chaos.

No disagreement with that. But the simple truth is if they had anybody sufficient to replace her then they would have already ousted her by now. Especially after the complete balls up she made of last year's snap election. There's no doubt in my mind that they wouldn't want her to run again but likewise they also don't want Boris Johnson, William Hague or Philip Hammond in charge.


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