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Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 1:51 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12483311)
I never said you said that. You assumed I did, presumably because you seem to think everything is about you. A little humility is a good thing. You shouldn't resist it.

Blah, blah, blah - come back when you have an interesting point to make, otherwise you're just boring us all and will encourage you mod mates to come along and complain about me.

Assanah Apr 17th 2018 2:02 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483385)
Mostly early retirees yes.

40% of Brits in Spain over 65 - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-in-10-years
Many others will be early retirees - the baby-boom generation with final-salary pensions.

Interesting that:

You just can't live with the fact that British are actually working in the EU or what is your problem? Germany has not many British retirees but quiet some numbers of working younger British people and actually a fair size of unemployed British social welfare recipients.

EMR Apr 17th 2018 2:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483385)
Mostly early retirees yes.

40% of Brits in Spain over 65 - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-in-10-years
Many others will be early retirees - the baby-boom generation with final-salary pensions.

Interesting that:

You have to remember in Cape world the majority of EU migrants are itinerant fruit pickers , car wash attendants and others who would be classed as the lower orders if they were British.
He is confusing Spain and its British migrants with the British migrants in thr rest of the EU.
Interesting that !

Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 2:33 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Assanah (Post 12483393)
You just can't live with the fact that British are actually working in the EU or what is your problem? Germany has not many British retirees but quiet some numbers of working younger British people and actually a fair size of unemployed British social welfare recipients.

From the article:

The UK has the smallest proportion of emigrants living in another EU country than any other EU country
The UK is the least likely to have it's citizens living in other EU countries and those that do are often retired.

In migration terms, Britain allows in millions of EU citizens searching for work, but sends out relatively few workers.

Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 2:38 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12483408)
You have to remember in Cape world the majority of EU migrants are itinerant fruit pickers , car wash attendants and others who would be classed as the lower orders if they were British.
He is confusing Spain and its British migrants with the British migrants in thr rest of the EU.
Interesting that !

Spain has double the amount of Brits than any other EU country.

The next largest is France - another retirement destination.

The majority of EU migrants to the UK are indeed working in low-skill sectors like agriculture, warehousing, taxi-driving, car washing, etc.

EMR Apr 17th 2018 2:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483426)
Spain has double the amount of Brits than any other EU country.

The next largest is France - another retirement destination.

The majority of EU migrants to the UK are indeed working in low-skill sectors like agriculture, warehousing, taxi-driving, car washing, etc.

As are the majority of low skilled low paid UK workers.
You also missed out the care and social sectors , the NHS .

Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 2:51 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12483434)
As are the majority of low skilled low paid UK workers.
You also missed out the care and social sectors , the NHS .

And they will stay low-paid as long as we permit mass migration.

How many other sectors would you like to add?

EMR Apr 17th 2018 3:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483443)
And they will stay low-paid as long as we permit mass migration.

How many other sectors would you like to add?

They will stay low paid because they always have been since records started comparing the value one job to another.
All not paid equally, as a good capitalist you should know that.
Street cleaners, rubbish collectors, Gardner's,farm workers, food processing, packers, shop assistants.
How many more would you like .

la mancha Apr 17th 2018 4:13 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483443)
And they will stay low-paid as long as we permit mass migration.

How many other sectors would you like to add?

‘A shortage of factory workers is starting to push up pay rates…’

‘It warned that higher pay offers were also needed to counter a growing shortage of EU workers ahead of Brexit.’

https://www.theguardian.com/business...h-up-pay-rates

It seems the penny will never drop with Remainers. You are right: blah...blah...blah...is all they have left now. Every single one of them.

EMR Apr 17th 2018 4:22 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12483501)
‘A shortage of factory workers is starting to push up pay rates…’

‘It warned that higher pay offers were also needed to counter a growing shortage of EU workers ahead of Brexit.’

https://www.theguardian.com/business...h-up-pay-rates

It seems the penny will never drop with Remainers. You are right: blah...blah...blah...is all they have left now. Every single one of them.

Good news that employment numbers continue to rise, proof just how valuable being in the EU is for the UK.
As you keep reminding us, we have not left yet.
Why are you leavers so fixated with migration.
Has it not occurred to you that as we all hope the current economic conditions continue and employment numbers rise that UK plc will continue to need migrant workers in large numbers.
But it's what you voted for so let's hope we do not hear you complaining about migration once we leave.

Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 4:29 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12483504)
Good news that employment numbers continue to rise, proof just how valuable being in the EU is for the UK.
As you keep reminding us, we have not left yet.
Why are you leavers so fixated with migration.
Has it not occurred to you that as we all hope the current economic conditions continue and employment numbers rise that UK plc will continue to need migrant workers in large numbers.
But it's what you voted for so let's hope we do not hear you complaining about migration once we leave.

It's not (all) about the numbers employed, it's about the wages of those employed and other externalities.

The UK saving half the countries in Europe by employing their young and desperate does not necessarily help the UK if those jobs are low-paid such that the imports are net negatives to the UK tax coffers, they ramp accommodation costs, suppress wages for the natives and stifle productivity.

We all hope for a continued buoyant economy, but one that is built on improved productivity and high skills, not one built on an underclass of imported peasants living ten to a 4-bed house so they can afford to pick cabbages.

EMR Apr 17th 2018 4:36 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483508)
It's not (all) about the numbers employed, it's about the wages of those employed and other externalities.

The UK saving half the countries in Europe by employing their young and desperate does not necessarily help the UK if those jobs are low-paid such that the imports are net negatives to the UK tax coffers, they ramp accommodation costs, suppress wages for the natives and stifle productivity.

We all hope for a continued buoyant economy, but one that is built on improved productivity and high skills, not one built on an underclass of imported peasants living ten to a 4-bed house so they can afford to pick cabbages.


Given your last comments , stop pretending that you are the light of reason and tolerance but rather one who enjoys swimming in the same sewers of prejudice and intolerance as those who inhabit the worst depths of the leave campaign.

Cape Blue Apr 17th 2018 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12483514)
Given your last comments , stop pretending that you are the light of reason and tolerance but rather one who enjoys swimming in the same sewers of prejudice and intolerance as those who inhabit the worst depths of the leave campaign.

Blah, blah, blah, racist, blah, blah, prejudiced, blah.

Come back when you have something relevant to say rather than just the usual accusatory SJW drivel.

37100 Apr 17th 2018 4:40 pm

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12483501)
‘A shortage of factory workers is starting to push up pay rates…’

‘It warned that higher pay offers were also needed to counter a growing shortage of EU workers ahead of Brexit.’

https://www.theguardian.com/business...h-up-pay-rates

It seems the penny will never drop with Remainers. You are right: blah...blah...blah...is all they have left now. Every single one of them.

When the farmer (or who ever) has to pay the pickers more, he will have to raise his prices to cover the additional cost, other categories while want a rise and the low paid workers will be back to square one.

SultanOfSwing Apr 17th 2018 4:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12483517)
Come back when you have something relevant to say ...

Oi, the pot would like a word with you.


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