Golden Years

Yes.
Many illegal immigrants are forced to work for less than minimum wage.
Obviously these are not from the EU as those employees have the automatic right to work.

amideislas

No worries. If immigrants aren't already "illegal", the rest of them will be soon. And they'll all be forced to work for less than minimum wage. Have faith. We're English.

Annetje

The UK has illegal immigrants working below minimum wage ..... right

And soooo many questions spring to mind now, where to start.

Anyway, I don't think CB and Manch were talking about them. They claim the EU (legal) workers are bringing wages down.
My question was very simple : Do they bring down the minimum wage ? Didn't get an answer.

I also asked why Brits don't do those jobs at minimum wage. Not really an answer neither.

Now it seems the problem is non-EU illegal immigration.

Can anyone bring any sense into this confusing business ?

Golden Years

If you genuinely want to discuss this then I would be happy to share my views.
However, if you are simply looking for an opening to make "clever" remarks at other peoples expense then I'll not waste my time.

Annetje

I am interested in someone explaining to me how it is that EU workers bring down wages.
My thinking is : they don't earn much so must be on minimum wage.
How can they bring down minimum wage. I just don't see the logic.

This min wage is set by the Government as are the benefits.
The story is that Brits don't want to do the EU people jobs because they find the wages too low.
My thinking here is : Benefits must pay better than min wage, otherwise they would take the job.
Does the Government pay too much benefit ?

And now you throw in the illegals working below min wage.
I do realize any country has illegal workers and bosses taking advantage, but surely we're talking exceptions here and NOT the rule.

Here I am, confused.com ...

amideislas

Don't waste your time. They're using logic. And they're not stupid enough to miss your deflection. Best to just leave it alone.

EMR

Illegal immigrants however few they are compared to the rest of the working economy may not be legally employed.
They work for business that are in the grey or black economy and have an insignificant if even any measurable effect on averages wages.
A restaurant or shop employing a few illegals letting them live in a room above their business will probably not be in the market for legal employees, migrant or non migrant even at minimum wage.
What makes you think illegal migrants have any effect on wage levels .

Cape Blue

Fundamental supply & demand economics and the opening of the reserve pool of labour to include tens of millions of poorer Europeans.

I've explained it to you and the others many times, I can't help it if you still don't understand these basic economic principles.

EMR

What no one with any sense and logic understands is Your constant references to imported millions, reserve pool blah blah.
It deserves nothing more than to sit along side the similar UKIP claims ,Express and Mail headlines.
If you are happy to keep company with them then that's your decision.

007Steve

Very EMR.
All he wants to do is keep posting the same economic & social kant in support of his warped views, in the hope that he's seen as some kind of 'moderate' while others are just fools or ignorant. I doubt he's ever held any sort of responsible job - whatever he claims; - people just wouldn't be prepared to work with him.

Annetje

BS !!!!!

How do they bring down the minimum wage ???

EMR

The minimum wage that many employers pay only because They are forced to, that if they could would pay less exploiting their employees.
But in Capes world it would be the employees fault.

007Steve

BS !!!!!
Annetje,
Can you imagine having to negotiate, let alone perform and bring in a contract with this character?
In a time-warp.

Annetje

He is living in his own little bubble, believing whatever suits him.
I have been asking this question for a while and never get an answer.

I do believe that less employees will push wages up (with the risk of companies having to close down) but having a choice of employees does NOT bring down the minimum wage.
IT CAN'T ...

I also asked why Brits don't do these jobs and there NO ANSWER yet again.

It's time our so called ''Remainer'' explains his thinking (or lack of).
Very well to sit on a high horse looking down at people, but a bit of logical normal conversation every now and then would be nice.

DaveLovesDee

Cape's repeated claims the employee sets the pay rate when accepting the job doesn't hold up. The employer sets the rate, which the employee chooses to accept or decline.