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Old Mar 20th 2018, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Golden Years View Post
Non EU immigration is primarily based on round pegs being hired for round holes. After the UK leaves, immigration from the EU will be on the same basis. If the availability of those positions falls as a result of a slowing economy then the number of immigrants will also fall. If the economy continues to grow then the need for immigrants that fulfil the job requirements will continue.
Family reunification currently and will still apply .
You accept and therefore will not complain if under any new rules UK migration could continue at levels many brexiters voted out in the hope of seeing a substantial reduction.
I am pleased to see at least one brexiter who agrees that the main drive for migration is the health of the UK economy.
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Family reunification currently and will still apply .
You accept and therefore will not complain if under any new rules UK migration could continue at levels many brexiters voted out in the hope of seeing a substantial reduction.
I am pleased to see at least one brexiter who agrees that the main drive for migration is the health of the UK economy.
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Old Mar 20th 2018, 2:28 pm
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Non EU immigration is primarily based on round pegs being hired for round holes. After the UK leaves, immigration from the EU will be on the same basis. If the availability of those positions falls as a result of a slowing economy then the number of immigrants will also fall. If the economy continues to grow then the need for immigrants that fulfil the job requirements will continue.
Had the UK government and higher education establishments provided sufficient training places and funding for the skills and qualifications the round pegs are being given visas for, we'd have less need for the round pegs.

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A picture editor at the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation having a bit of fun here - who do you reckon looks more comfortable out of these two? :

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...m100480568.jpg
I saw the sequence of photos. Davis thought the photocall was over and went to leave but wannabe matinee idol Barnier wanted to carry it on so he pulled Davis back by the elbow, hence the look he got.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Other than jobs paying in a currency that had a favourable exchange rate, and in many cases, relatives living there, there really isn't all that much attractive about England. Crowded, high cost of living, high crime rate, crap weather... and xenophobia...

So, no worries. Conditions in Europe are improving all the time, and there's no evidence Brexit will bring any upside to England... So it's likely European migration numbers will fall quite naturally, without having to kick them out.
Much like any northern/eastern member state, (I can’t count the southern EU member states because they are still living on the knock with record unemployment) but talking about the UK you missed out the bit about us being one of the biggest job creators in Europe. Pity you will all miss out on that soon. But your prejudiced attitude towards your country of birth never fails to shines through, does it? As for your last sentence, isn’t this one of the reasons what Brexit is about? Same with the high cost of living and crowded. You have hit the nail on the head. I’m glad you’ve seen the light. As for xenophobia, I am sure we can agree this is prevalent across Europe, especially in nations such as Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain etc. (have to stop or I will run out of space naming them all).

I am so glad conditions in Europe are improving. You can look after your own now.
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Old Mar 20th 2018, 3:08 pm
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Family reunification currently and will still apply .
You accept and therefore will not complain if under any new rules UK migration could continue at levels many brexiters voted out in the hope of seeing a substantial reduction.
I am pleased to see at least one brexiter who agrees that the main drive for migration is the health of the UK economy.
I've never believed immigration was a bad thing provided it was filling a genuine need. What was concerning was uncontrolled immigration caused by economic disparity between EU member states. Hopefully the current economic upswing will ripple out to the peripheral members (although not happening at the moment) and create better opportunities for their citizens, especially the younger ones.
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Had the UK government and higher education establishments provided sufficient training places and funding for the skills and qualifications the round pegs are being given visas for, we'd have less need for the round pegs.

Yes or no?
Yes.
But, to be fair, often the funding was there but was badly spent by the higher education establishments. Many courses are too long, too expensive and do not produce an education that can be readily turned into a job. The system wastes huge amounts of money as shown by the high salaries of the VCs and the over generous pension provisions over which the lecturers are currently striking.
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Old Mar 20th 2018, 3:54 pm
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Yes.
But, to be fair, often the funding was there but was badly spent by the higher education establishments. Many courses are too long, too expensive and do not produce an education that can be readily turned into a job. The system wastes huge amounts of money as shown by the high salaries of the VCs and the over generous pension provisions over which the lecturers are currently striking.
Remember when McD's UK was a only hiring graduates.
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Old Mar 20th 2018, 4:45 pm
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Much like any northern/eastern member state, (I can’t count the southern EU member states because they are still living on the knock with record unemployment) but talking about the UK you missed out the bit about us being one of the biggest job creators in Europe. Pity you will all miss out on that soon. But your prejudiced attitude towards your country of birth never fails to shines through, does it? As for your last sentence, isn’t this one of the reasons what Brexit is about? Same with the high cost of living and crowded. You have hit the nail on the head. I’m glad you’ve seen the light. As for xenophobia, I am sure we can agree this is prevalent across Europe, especially in nations such as Germany, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain etc. (have to stop or I will run out of space naming them all).

I am so glad conditions in Europe are improving. You can look after your own now.
You always sound like one of those people who moan endlessly about something they've never seen for themselves. I know you've been to Spain, but probably only in some downmarket British enclave isolated from the rest of it. And apparently, it was some time ago.

As far as the rest, well, take a trip to Munich, for example. I think you'd be rather surprised at the obvious sophistication of this and many other cities around Europe, large and small. Well, provided you're prepared to allow yourself to see it, as it wouldn't really suit what you want to believe. I think there's an old song about what people believe.. they see.
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You always sound like one of those people who moan endlessly about something they've never seen for themselves. I know you've been to Spain, but probably only in some downmarket British enclave isolated from the rest of it. And apparently, it was some time ago.

As far as the rest, well, take a trip to Munich, for example. I think you'd be rather surprised at the obvious sophistication of this and many other cities around Europe, large and small. Well, provided you're prepared to allow yourself to see it, as it wouldn't really suit what you want to believe. I think there's an old song about what people believe.. they see.
Hopeless, aren’t you? It is you who are moaning, about the UK, as usual. Can’t you see a specialist for help with your obsession? It’s really pointless all this ‘we are better than you’ stuff, but I have to answer a fellow Brit when they do this ‘UK is crap’ stuff against their nation of birth.

First, I lived in Castilla-La Mancha for many years. It is Don Quixote country, the rural heartland of Spain. You should try it sometime. I was the only Brit in a town of over 10 thousand. Cuenca, Toledo, Ciudad Real. I loved it there. You are getting confused. It is you who live in some downmarket British (and German) enclave full of drugs, prostitution and drunks. Not me. Isolation? Look to yourself.

Now what else is it you have on your mind today? Ah, Munich. Why Munich? Who is talking about individual cities or towns? I thought you were touching on xenophobia, among other things, in the UK which is why I mentioned all those other European nations where xenophobia is endemic. I am glad you mentioned a German city because it just ties in with what I replied to you over xenophobia across Europe, and I think we can both agree Germany is rife with xenophobia. Always has been and always will be, I suppose. There’s an old song about that, as well, called the Horst-Wessel, still popular in certain quarters in Germany, I believe.
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Hopeless, aren’t you? It is you who are moaning, about the UK, as usual. Can’t you see a specialist for help with your obsession? It’s really pointless all this ‘we are better than you’ stuff, but I have to answer a fellow Brit when they do this ‘UK is crap’ stuff against their nation of birth.

First, I lived in Castilla-La Mancha for many years. It is Don Quixote country, the rural heartland of Spain. You should try it sometime. I was the only Brit in a town of over 10 thousand. Cuenca, Toledo, Ciudad Real. I loved it there. You are getting confused. It is you who live in some downmarket British (and German) enclave full of drugs, prostitution and drunks. Not me. Isolation? Look to yourself.

Now what else is it you have on your mind today? Ah, Munich. Why Munich? Who is talking about individual cities or towns? I thought you were touching on xenophobia, among other things, in the UK which is why I mentioned all those other European nations where xenophobia is endemic. I am glad you mentioned a German city because it just ties in with what I replied to you over xenophobia across Europe, and I think we can both agree Germany is rife with xenophobia. Always has been and always will be, I suppose. There’s an old song about that, as well, called the Horst-Wessel, still popular in certain quarters in Germany, I believe.
Not in my experience. Lived there 2 decades. Sure, there's always someone that has a problem with some Turkish or whatever, but in general, the Germans are pretty open, and they still have a complex sbout the Nazis. They hate anything resembling it, including overt nationalism (been there, done that). I have other issues with German society in general, but xenophobia isn't on that list.

And as for the widespread xenophobia you want so badly to believe in, I live in a small village in rural Mallorca, and I don't think the locals could possibly be more open, friendly, and welcoming. And I never hear any of the xenophobic stuff coming from Britain on a daily basis. So, toss me all the stats that you can google for, but it's simply not the way it is. And frankly, my quality of life is by far the best it's ever been. Ever.

And by the way, the single most down market resort here is... Magaluf. Traditionally, exclusively British (and one of the handful of resorts where Brits amass), but the local councils have had enough of the nightly mayhem, violence, and deaths. New measures designed to make it less attractive to that element are being implemented, in the hopes of attracting new investment and upgrading it, much like has been done on playa de palma. One thing investors are keen to see is promotion of the resort to a broader, more upscale clientele, and you can now see that in the marketing of the hotels and attractions ... They're going for the money. Prior to a couple years ago, Germans had never heard of it. But now they know... you see it promoted to Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, French. The Magaluf regulars are moaning as if they'd had their teeth pulled. "Mallorca is so expensive now! They're ripping us off! Never going back". Despite a 26% increase in bookings this year, including an 8% decrease in bookings from Britain.

Second worst is probably Calas de Mallorca (a depreciating, purpose-built, plastic, isolated, all-but-exclusively-British all-inclusive Paradise). But they serve "full english" and Fish & Chips at the buffet, and HP is on every table. And I think there's still a burger king there... So, it can't be all bad.

Still, the remaining 3600 sq. Km. is quite surprisingly calm, diverse, pretty, and oozing with class and character. But I reckon that might help explain why you rarely find Brits "out there in the third-world outback where they eat foreign food and speak funny languages". It's beneath them, apparently.

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Yes.
But, to be fair, often the funding was there but was badly spent by the higher education establishments. Many courses are too long, too expensive and do not produce an education that can be readily turned into a job. The system wastes huge amounts of money as shown by the high salaries of the VCs and the over generous pension provisions over which the lecturers are currently striking.
I'm not sure I disagree with University Vice-Chancellors being paid what they and the University agree is the individual's worth to them is. It's not publicly-funded in most respects, is it?

But those pays aren't going to change by leaving the EU.
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A picture editor at the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation having a bit of fun here - who do you reckon looks more comfortable out of these two? :

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...m100480568.jpg
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I saw the sequence of photos. Davis thought the photocall was over and went to leave but wannabe matinee idol Barnier wanted to carry it on so he pulled Davis back by the elbow, hence the look he got.
Good one!

It's 8 seconds in on this video - all perfectly friendly and above board and the photo call most certainly wasn't over. As I said, a picture editor with a sense of mischief. Davis - in the still - has a slightly unfortunate posture and looks as though he's wondering if there's an electric shocker concealed in Barnier's palm but in the vid it's nothing like that. Check it out :
UK and EU agree Brexit transition deal with green lines but there is work still to be done - ITV News
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Good one!

It's 8 seconds in on this video - all perfectly friendly and above board and the photo call most certainly wasn't over. As I said, a picture editor with a sense of mischief. Davis - in the still - has a slightly unfortunate posture and looks as though he's wondering if there's an electric shocker concealed in Barnier's palm but in the vid it's nothing like that. Check it out :
UK and EU agree Brexit transition deal with green lines but there is work still to be done - ITV News
I saw a photo with Barnier touching his shoulder and thought otherwise. So nothing to do with anything.
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Not in my experience. Lived there 2 decades. Sure, there's always someone that has a problem with some Turkish or whatever, but in general, the Germans are pretty open, and they still have a complex sbout the Nazis. They hate anything resembling it, including overt nationalism (been there, done that). I have other issues with German society in general, but xenophobia isn't on that list.

And as for the widespread xenophobia you want so badly to believe in, I live in a small village in rural Mallorca, and I don't think the locals could possibly be more open, friendly, and welcoming. And I never hear any of the xenophobic stuff coming from Britain on a daily basis. So, toss me all the stats that you can google for, but it's simply not the way it is. And frankly, my quality of life is by far the best it's ever been. Ever.

And by the way, the single most down market resort here is... Magaluf. Traditionally, exclusively British (and one of the handful of resorts where Brits amass), but the local councils have had enough of the nightly mayhem, violence, and deaths. New measures designed to make it less attractive to that element are being implemented, in the hopes of attracting new investment and upgrading it, much like has been done on playa de palma. One thing investors are keen to see is promotion of the resort to a broader, more upscale clientele, and you can now see that in the marketing of the hotels and attractions ... They're going for the money. Prior to a couple years ago, Germans had never heard of it. But now they know... you see it promoted to Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, French. The Magaluf regulars are moaning as if they'd had their teeth pulled. "Mallorca is so expensive now! They're ripping us off! Never going back". Despite a 26% increase in bookings this year, including an 8% decrease in bookings from Britain.

Second worst is probably Calas de Mallorca (a depreciating, purpose-built, plastic, isolated, all-but-exclusively-British all-inclusive Paradise). But they serve "full english" and Fish & Chips at the buffet, and HP is on every table. And I think there's still a burger king there... So, it can't be all bad.

Still, the remaining 3600 sq. Km. is quite surprisingly calm, diverse, pretty, and oozing with class and character. But I reckon that might help explain why you rarely find Brits "out there in the third-world outback where they eat foreign food and speak funny languages". It's beneath them, apparently.
There you go again. Look, misses, save your time for your quaint little village in the middle of all that drug dealing, prostitution and drunkenness and be happy. I don’t care about you or where you live. I just answer your anti-British comments; that is all.

I don’t care if you lived in Germany for two decades and didn’t notice or experience xenophobia there (cue laughter). I did not say xenophobia exists in Mallorca, did I? I said it exists in Spain. And there you go again blaming Brits on nightly mayhem, violence and deaths. (Hey, is this this quaint little place called Mallorca you’re talking about?) You talk as if budget tourist German drunks don’t exist on Mallorca.

You don’t have to tell me about living in rural area. The only difference is where I lived there was no nightly mayhem, violence and deaths. DEATHS???!!! Just where the hell are you living?

Give it up, all this ‘my place is better than yours’ stuff. Everyone knows Mallorca is a shithole of sleaze and decadence.

Your long-winded anti-British attacks are boring. You really do have a problem with Brits, don’t you? Pity you're one yourself. Bet you hate that. Goodnight, and take care to lock your door tonight.
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