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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447302)
Merely pointing-out that the commissioning organisation sets the questions, not the polling company. If that commissioning org is "Best for Britain" it might lean one way with the type of question, if it was UKIP it might lean another way.
Think about it. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Red Eric
(Post 12444792)
No that's not been explained at all.
You've simply held up the idea that until a person's wage reaches a certain level, they cost more in provision of services or eligibility for welfare than is removed from their wages in taxes. It seems logical that the cost of providing services may exceed the contribution in taxes from lower-paid workers. Considering all the debate on the subject of migrants and lower-paid jobs, have there been any estimates on the costs of services ( all inclusive) per person in UK ? |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Timmy Chch
(Post 12447298)
We voted for an aussie/nz type points system not a Trump wall stopping everyone
I didn't see any question on the referendum ballot referring to either a points system or a wall. Did yours? We already have a immigration system for non-EU nationals, which the Home Office can control at any time by reducing the number of visas available. They choose not to, mostly because they make millions from the visa applications. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12447334)
It seems logical that the cost of providing services may exceed the contribution in taxes from lower-paid workers. Considering all the debate on the subject of migrants and lower-paid jobs, have there been any estimates on the costs of services ( all inclusive) per person in UK ?
The unemployed or those unable to work are not net contributors . Millions of pensioners and the elderly are not net contributors. It suggests that the majority of the UK population are using Capes measure NOT net contributors to the economy. But of course the billions they spend keeps millions employed. The UK is not a society where access to education, health and even now to a lesser extent than it once was to decent housing is linked to income. Call it socialism or one nation Conservatism depends on your viewpoint. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447282)
Yes, but the issue is the questions polled - "would you accept some migration from the EU as access to the single market so your children don't starve and we don't end up in a dystopian hell-hole"? - the polling organisation ask the questions their masters give them.
And you completely ignored the section of the article which talks about similar but separate research supporting the same principle : A separate study by researchers at King’s College London, the Rand thinktank and Cambridge University used a technique called “stated preference discrete choice experiments” to ask people to weight different priorities. It found very little appetite for the government’s “no deal is better than a bad deal” approach to the talks, and voters much keener to compromise. “Our research is one of the most rigorous assessments to date of what the public wants from Brexit, and it clearly shows that the British people do not wish to head over a cliff edge and leave the EU on World Trade Organisation rules – they want a proper deal,” said Jonathan Grant, the professor of public policy at King’s College London. “The British public are sophisticated enough to understand that they can’t ‘have their cake and eat it’, and will need to make and accept compromises to reach a deal.” The team found that supposed red lines on immigration and leaving the European court of justice were far less important to voters than the government. “While our results do show a desire to control movement of people to some extent, we find that this stems from a concern about managing demand for public services, rather than from wanting to limit freedom of movement per se,” wrote the team led by Charlene Rohr of Rand. “Our analysis indicated that, on average, respondents would prefer a future relationship in which the UK is able to make and interpret all laws itself, but this was considered less important than maintaining free trade or being able to negotiate new trade deals independently.” |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12447334)
It seems logical that the cost of providing services may exceed the contribution in taxes from lower-paid workers. Considering all the debate on the subject of migrants and lower-paid jobs, have there been any estimates on the costs of services ( all inclusive) per person in UK ?
What I was saying is that the taxes those workers pay aren't the sum total of their contribution to the economy or to society. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
(Post 12447330)
I doubt any respectable and professional polling company would ask the question the way you phrased it.
Think about it. Dry your eyes. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447456)
It was just an example from the Guardian.
Dry your eyes. It's headline news on BBC has made all the respected news sites. Are they too just a bunch of remainiacs. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 12447354)
Workers in the low pay sector immigrant or British born are not net contributors.
The unemployed or those unable to work are not net contributors . Millions of pensioners and the elderly are not net contributors. It suggests that the majority of the UK population are using Capes measure NOT net contributors to the economy. But of course the billions they spend keeps millions employed. The UK is not a society where access to education, health and even now to a lesser extent than it once was to decent housing is linked to income. Call it socialism or one nation Conservatism depends on your viewpoint. Many pensioners are BTW. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447458)
Yes, many people are not net contributors - so why import more who aren't? How is that going too help?
Many pensioners are BTW. As we know you dismiss the spending power of the less affluent. What was it you posted," Aldi, Lidl and William Hill ". I thought that you would be happy not having to rub shoulders with them in the queue at Waitrose. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447456)
It was just an example from the Guardian.
Dry your eyes. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Just to settle the matter about whether people really were asked if they'd rather keep mass uncontrolled immigration or be stabbed up the jacksy with a rusty crowbar, here are the actual questions and results :
https://blog.bestforbritain.org/wp-c...mmigration.pdf And here's another YouGov poll saying roughly the same thing, this one not commissioned by Best for Britain and with a report on the results published in Business Insider rather than The Guardian (as if that makes any bleedin' difference :rolleyes:) : New poll finds the British public have turned against a 'Hard Brexit' |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Cape Blue
(Post 12447458)
Yes, many people are not net contributors - so why import more who aren't? How is that going too help?
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by EMR
(Post 12447463)
How can the average pensioner who receives regular medical, treatment costing tens of thousands of pounds using your logic be a net contributors.
As we know you dismiss the spending power of the less affluent. What was it you posted," Aldi, Lidl and William Hill ". I thought that you would be happy not having to rub shoulders with them in the queue at Waitrose. I did not post "Aldi, Lidle and William Hill". Waitrose is my nearest supermarket. |
Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Red Eric
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Just to settle the matter about whether people really were asked if they'd rather keep mass uncontrolled immigration or be stabbed up the jacksy with a rusty crowbar, here are the actual questions and results :
https://blog.bestforbritain.org/wp-c...mmigration.pdf And here's another YouGov poll saying roughly the same thing, this one not commissioned by Best for Britain and with a report on the results published in Business Insider rather than The Guardian (as if that makes any bleedin' difference :rolleyes:) : New poll finds the British public have turned against a 'Hard Brexit' Now imagine the government changed the rules so that EU citizens were allowed to travel to Britain for work, tourism or education, but had to return to their own countries if they had not found a job or a university place within three months. |
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