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Old Jan 19th 2018, 9:26 pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
Yep, don't disagree with any of this. There's essentially no British politician at the moment who isn't an arsehole.
That's the ticket. Next time you go out to vote, remember who let all the immigrants in and vote accordingly. Don't stand for any of that nonsense about how Labour's the party of high imnmigration and do the knee-jerk Conservative thing. Go the whole hog - vote for the crumbs of UKIP or whatever other party best fits your views.

Mind you, it's surprising to me that after as many days as you've been arguing this and after all the evidence that's been presented, you still think it's as simple as saying "go whistle" to Macron. Surely you can see that if the le Touquet agreement wasn't satisfactorily renegotiated, with the UK agreeing to do its bit to reduce "illegal" immigration, things would be a lot different for the UK? Very much for the worse, from your point of view.
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 9:33 pm
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Since when have refugees been counted in the immigration stats?
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If they're not already then they damn well should be.
They are :
In 2016, there were around 39,000 applications for asylum in the UK. That’s including dependant family members of the main applicant. Those asylum seekers are counted among the estimated 600,000 immigrants to the UK in the 12 months to September 2016, most of whom come to work or study.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/uk-refugees/
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 9:45 pm
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Those individuals passed through multiple safe countries before making it anywhere close to Northern France. If they weren't economic migrants then they could have just made a refugee claim in any one of those countries, preferably the first one they got to. Claiming that you're fleeing from danger or persecution does not allow you to cherry pick which country you would ideally like to live in.
Do you read any of the links you're provided with? Or those you can easily find for yourself when you want? And if you do, do you retain anything? Because we're constantly covering the same ground over and over again here.

We went through this last year - in addition to the unaccompanied minors there are some refugees who have relatives already in the UK. Under the regulations to which the UK is a signatory, family reunions ought to be facilitated. Because of failings in various areas, most likely including the UK's reluctance to accept any single one more than it absolutely must have to, the likelihood to date of this happening is not great if the initial application is made outside the UK. Hence the reluctance of these refugees to make their claim to France or any of the other countries on the way.

When the UK does leave the EU, by the way, you'd better hope that it signs up to some agreement with respect to refugees or the EU member states will be quite within their rights to refuse to accept returns of asylum seekers the UK is currently making under the Dublin Agreement.
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Old Jan 19th 2018, 10:38 pm
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Thanks. I'm not sure why I thought they weren't.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 6:31 am
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Do you read any of the links you're provided with? Or those you can easily find for yourself when you want? And if you do, do you retain anything? Because we're constantly covering the same ground over and over again here.

We went through this last year - in addition to the unaccompanied minors there are some refugees who have relatives already in the UK. Under the regulations to which the UK is a signatory, family reunions ought to be facilitated. Because of failings in various areas, most likely including the UK's reluctance to accept any single one more than it absolutely must have to, the likelihood to date of this happening is not great if the initial application is made outside the UK. Hence the reluctance of these refugees to make their claim to France or any of the other countries on the way.

When the UK does leave the EU, by the way, you'd better hope that it signs up to some agreement with respect to refugees or the EU member states will be quite within their rights to refuse to accept returns of asylum seekers the UK is currently making under the Dublin Agreement.
Well, to read or (god forbid) understand the actual facts behind all these perceived EU failings and conspiracies would collapse the entire theory of brexitism. And then what? No more "mission"?
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 12:53 pm
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Do you read any of the links you're provided with? Or those you can easily find for yourself when you want? And if you do, do you retain anything? Because we're constantly covering the same ground over and over again here.

We went through this last year - in addition to the unaccompanied minors there are some refugees who have relatives already in the UK. Under the regulations to which the UK is a signatory, family reunions ought to be facilitated. Because of failings in various areas, most likely including the UK's reluctance to accept any single one more than it absolutely must have to, the likelihood to date of this happening is not great if the initial application is made outside the UK. Hence the reluctance of these refugees to make their claim to France or any of the other countries on the way.

When the UK does leave the EU, by the way, you'd better hope that it signs up to some agreement with respect to refugees or the EU member states will be quite within their rights to refuse to accept returns of asylum seekers the UK is currently making under the Dublin Agreement.
The UK has proper visa options for family reunification when it comes to people's spouses and children. If they don't qualify for one of those visas then they shouldn't be coming here.

What they're doing is just asylum shopping and abusing the system to bullshit their way in.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 12:57 pm
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with the UK agreeing to do its bit to reduce "illegal" immigration
The UK has no "bit" to do. It doesn't owe anything to France or any of these criminals. Like always we're just picking up after the French and compensating for their laziness and mistakes.

Rightfully France is a country that shouldn't exist anymore. They clearly have no interest in the survival of their own country and culture and have only made it this far because Britain and America have been there to save them. Although of course they will never show an ounce of appreciation for any of that.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:07 pm
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The UK has proper visa options for family reunification when it comes to people's spouses and children. If they don't qualify for one of those visas then they shouldn't be coming here.

What they're doing is just asylum shopping and abusing the system to bullshit their way in.
And you think that if that were really the case, the Home Office would be waiving the normal requirements?

Family reunion under the Dublin Agreement, opted in to by the UK for its own benefit (as it already has an opt out from matters relating to asylum) is a "proper" option.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:08 pm
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The UK has proper visa options for family reunification when it comes to people's spouses and children. If they don't qualify for one of those visas then they shouldn't be coming here.
But one has to question if the UK visa options for spouses and children are fair to all.
Does the UK have different requirement for EU spouses and their children than non EU spouses and their children and if they do WHY?
Canada has the same requirements for spousal sponsorship and the only difference is do they come from a visa or non visa country in so much as getting the visa which is usually not a problem providing the marriage is genuine and not done just to get the non Canadian spouse a visa or PR status in that country.

Doesn't the UK have income requirements for the UK citizen to bring in their non EU spouse?
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:12 pm
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Doesn't the UK have income requirements for the UK citizen to bring in their non EU spouse?
Yes it does and I know because I've been subject to them. It's one of the reasons I get quite angry when people abuse the system.

Presently EU sponsors in the UK actually get a far easier time when sponsoring their non-EU partners than the British do.

The spousal/dependent sponsorship rules for UK citizens seem harsh but at the same time they make sense for a country like the UK where public services play such a major role.

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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:14 pm
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And you think that if that were really the case, the Home Office would be waiving the normal requirements?

Family reunion under the Dublin Agreement, opted in to by the UK for its own benefit (as it already has an opt out from matters relating to asylum) is a "proper" option.
If they are genuinely eligible then they could apply from their home country. They wouldn't need to illegally make their way to Europe to do that.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:15 pm
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The UK has no "bit" to do. It doesn't owe anything to France or any of these criminals. Like always we're just picking up after the French and compensating for their laziness and mistakes.
You never got back to me about the alleged EU law regarding these migrants being criminals and I think it has been more than amply demonstrated to you over the past few days that even though the UK is surrounded by a moat, that doesn't make it an impenetrable fortress.

You criticise the EU for not turning its member states into one - why can't the UK "defend" itself by itself if it's that easy? Answer : because like most other of the major issues of the day it requires international cooperation and a bit of give and take. And that is the case Brexit or no Brexit.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:19 pm
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You never got back to me about the alleged EU law regarding these migrants being criminals
It's very simple. To cross into another country's sovereign territory without permission is a criminal offence and is punishable by the law of the land. I'm not totally familiar with how Schengen works but presumably they have a law for that since they all share a common border.

If you have a genuine case for asylum then you should be presenting yourself at an authorised entry point and filing a case there. Failure to do so makes you an illegal alien.
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If they are genuinely eligible then they could apply from their home country. They wouldn't need to illegally make their way to Europe to do that.
They are genuinely eligible under the rules that apply to asylum seekers, which the UK has opted in to. The rules known as the Dublin Agreement.

It is not illegal for an asylum seeker to make their way to Europe.
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Old Jan 20th 2018, 1:23 pm
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It's very simple. To cross into another country's sovereign territory without permission is a criminal offence and is punishable by the law of the land. I'm not totally familiar with how Schengen works but presumably they have a law for that since they all share a common border.
Well then, perhaps you ought to familiarise yourself with this Schengen Law before you start spouting off about what it says. When you've done that you can come back and tell us all which bits say refugees can't enter the territory without prior permission and what punishment the criminal courts should be handing down.
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