Post EU Referendum
Jan 19th 2018, 10:51 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Let's make this simple.
External border controls are NOT the EU's responsibility. It the responsibility of each member state.
External border controls are NOT the EU's responsibility. It the responsibility of each member state.
In any case, if the EU is to encourage membership of Schengen and even punish member states from temporarily controlling their land borders like they did with Germany a couple of years ago then the EU needs to take at least some responsibility for securing Schengen's external points of entry.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:03 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
If that's true then why does Frontex exist? It's my understanding that Frontex was created by the EU because Italy wasn't equipped to do the job on its own.
In any case, if the EU is to encourage membership of Schengen and even punish member states from temporarily controlling their land borders like they did with Germany a couple of years ago then the EU needs to take at least some responsibility for securing Schengen's external points of entry.
In any case, if the EU is to encourage membership of Schengen and even punish member states from temporarily controlling their land borders like they did with Germany a couple of years ago then the EU needs to take at least some responsibility for securing Schengen's external points of entry.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:08 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Garbatellamike
nope it was expanded in remit due to migrant crisis not created and was as much about Bulgaria as Italy.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:16 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
Really? Everything I've read has suggested it was to replace Mare Nostrum because that program was costing the Italians a fortune and they couldn't really afford it anymore.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:22 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
If that's true then why does Frontex exist? It's my understanding that Frontex was created by the EU because Italy wasn't equipped to do the job on its own.
In any case, if the EU is to encourage membership of Schengen and even punish member states from temporarily controlling their land borders like they did with Germany a couple of years ago then the EU needs to take at least some responsibility for securing Schengen's external points of entry.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:26 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
In any case, if the EU is to encourage membership of Schengen and even punish member states from temporarily controlling their land borders like they did with Germany a couple of years ago then the EU needs to take at least some responsibility for securing Schengen's external points of entry.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:27 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Not the UK's problem. We're not in Schengen, and despite UKIP and Leave's claims, they weren't coming to the U.K..
Jan 19th 2018, 11:27 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Expatrick
"The Schengen Borders Code provides Member States with the capability of temporarily reintroducing border control at the internal borders in the event that a serious threat to public policy or internal security has been established."
Jan 19th 2018, 11:28 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
The key word there being temporarily.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:34 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
I think considerable numbers may have tried actually and succeeded in some cases.
No evidence though! Again!
I realise it must be difficult to use Google/Bing/Yahoo to research your assertions, and to supply sources to back up your claims, but maybe you can find an IT professional to help you.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:39 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Expatrick
Frontex existed prior to Mare Nostrum which was a specific SAR operation at the tactical level.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:40 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
I realise it must be difficult to use Google/Bing/Yahoo to research your assertions, and to supply sources to back up your claims, but maybe you can find an IT professional to help you.
Extreme lefty organisations the lot of them. And peddlers of fake news.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:41 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee
Think?
No evidence though! Again!
I realise it must be difficult to use Google/Bing/Yahoo to research your assertions, and to supply sources to back up your claims, but maybe you can find an IT professional to help you.
No evidence though! Again!
I realise it must be difficult to use Google/Bing/Yahoo to research your assertions, and to supply sources to back up your claims, but maybe you can find an IT professional to help you.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-calais-jungle
Gangs smuggling people into UK advertising their services on Facebook and Twitter
Jan 19th 2018, 11:41 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Expatrick
Frontex existed prior to Mare Nostrum which was a specific SAR operation at the OPERATIONAL level.
Jan 19th 2018, 11:58 am
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Re: Post EU Referendum
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
I'm not twisting anything. You have made a statement that most countries simply detain, process and deport their illegal immigrants. I have offered you evidence that they do no such thing except with a tiny minority. You have offered no counter examples that prove your statement, but you have added some examples that prove mine. In addition, you complain about the French yet offer no viable solution even by example.
I would also remind you that undocumented immigrants in the US do not only come from Mexico.
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center
I would also remind you that undocumented immigrants in the US do not only come from Mexico.
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center
Originally Posted by DigitalGhost
I know that. In fact I provided evidence to prove that to someone else on here recently.
Mexico is still the main transit route for illegal entry into the US though is it not. America has its airports pretty much locked down at this point but people from all over the world have transited in through Mexico. You can even find warnings written in Chinese along the border in some states.
Mexico is still the main transit route for illegal entry into the US though is it not. America has its airports pretty much locked down at this point but people from all over the world have transited in through Mexico. You can even find warnings written in Chinese along the border in some states.
But you still haven't answered the question as to which country is just rounding up its undocumented immigrants, "processing them", and deporting them as you stated is done. Certainly the US deports some, but then so do the UK and France. Example, please, of a country that actually is deporting in the way you stated?
You are also not clear on how people become illegal immigrants in the US. Despite your image of "locked down" airports and bad hombres crossing deserts and rivers at night, more than half of the immigrants acquiring "illegal status" in the US, at least since 2007 when this research was done, arrived perfectly legally, largely through airports, on perfectly legal, fully-processed visas. In 2014, these people represented two thirds of those who acquired "illegal" status when their visas expired but they didn't leave.
The 2,000 Mile Wall in Search of a Purpose: Since 2007 Visa Overstays have Outnumbered Undocumented Border Crossers by a Half Million - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)
