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Can we blame his age and hope his mum returns soon from holiday ? :starsmile:

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Cross ref the post where DG describes the leftist program as everybody getting free stuff from the rich until the rich leave and there's nobody to pay for it any more.

I assume that is now the situation in Germany?

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Far from it Germany was the biggest opponent of the leftist nutters in the Greek government and I think you'll find Merkel is a conservative....

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Actually, the guardian publishes quite a bit of fact-based narratives.

Compare that, for example, to their substantially more consumed competition; Daily Mail, Express, Sun. All three lead the pack in forced retractions and low credibility (not to mention just generally anti-everything propaganda much like RT, but not quite as good at it), generally hidden at the bottom of page 4 or so.

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And substantially more successful than the UK. They just don't feel the need to tell everyone how great they are.

The Germans have a saying, translated it's something like this:

If you have it, they will know.

The morale is:
If you have to tell everyone you're successful, then you probably aren't as successful as you think.

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yep sort of makes the Germans the polar opposite of the Swedish

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Then maybe you should clearly say exactly what you mean.... Preferably using facts, and links to support your assertions. I've already proven your claims wrong twice in 2 days on another thread.

Is it though? Which benchmark would you like me to use?

Leftist paradise? You really like labelling things you don't understand, don't you?

Germany is probably the most successful of the EU member states, which is probably why many on the Leave side keep claiming Merkel runs the EU. The UK could have played a leading part in the EEC and EU (and we were blocked from joining twice by De Gaulle because he thought we would usurp France's position) but chose to take what they could and give only what they had to.

UK government policies have been responsible for the UK's position and Germany's responsible for their country's position. Had it been the EU's fault, both countries would be doing similarly badly or similarly well. Leaving the EU is not going to change the UK's position v Germany other than put trading blocks in the way.

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Someone should tell Trump. :p

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I did not say immigration depresses wages. I said unskilled EU member state workers flooding the UK depress our low paid wages. And you are comparing Jersey potato picking wages to unskilled wages in Germany. Think about it.

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But wages are rising for low-skilled British workers. I am talking to people who are experiencing it. That is the problem on this thread: On here I am talking to people who live in another country and do not know the reality of what is happening here.

If Jersey produce businesses cannot attract workers on a low wage they will have to raise wages or go out of business. If a business cannot pay a decent wage they should not be in business. But, as was said by a Jersey producer, it is a Europe problem. How do I know how much wages should rise for low-skilled and how do I know how long it will take once we stop importing cheap labour? Every market has its own level.

I still do not know what your point is re the original Guardian article.

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If EU workers moving to the UK to work isn't immigrating, what is?

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Leftist Paradise? Huh? Sorry, but Germany is far less "leftist" than many. If you measure that by simply social generosity, then the UK would certsinly be more "leftist" by comparison. Germany is right-leaning centrist, if anything.

You keep implying how much you know Europe, then you make statements like this, which even more strongly implies you have no idea what Europe is like. Almost like a Daily Mail / Express narrative.

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I can only assume he mis-read the title and got "third world country" instead of "third country". Nobody who wants a "proper" Brexit could possible quibble about its probable "third country" status, surely?

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Might even get a job sometime!

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I don't know but it's your theory and one of your justifications for voting to leave, so I thought you might have some inkling or some sort of expectations.

Just wondering when we could look forward to discussing something based on some solid evidence rather than a bit of chit-chat with your Brexiter mates who, in their current euphoric state, believe they're experiencing an economic miracle.