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Red Eric Dec 29th 2017 9:37 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Ozziechris (Post 12406665)
I can think of no scenario where Corbyn could be considered a saviour. The country doesn't want or need 70s socialism.

That is because you have no imagination or aspiration and only the most tenuous grasp on reality.

Labour's key policies have been throughly tested against public opinion, which is overwhelmingly approving. So successful are they, in fact, that the Tories are starting to steal them.

Not only that but you've also got a cabinet minister from Thatcher's government hailing him as the next PM and even the most ardent of Tories on here claiming that he's the Messiah :

Originally Posted by Garbatellamike (Post 12354769)
I can't see how May can survive but then I thought that about Jezza who is apparently reborn as the Messiah.


messiah

/mɪˈsʌɪə/

noun

noun: the Messiah

1. the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.

2. a leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.
Oh, Jeremy Corbyn! as the singing goes :)

By the way, there's an excellent thread entitled "Labour in Chaos", which you probably haven't come across, being a little wet behind the ears still on here. You should really take the time to read it through from the beginning - it would be most instructive for you and would help you to identify which posters know a little of what they're talking about and which are simply showing off their prejudices.

Cape Blue Dec 29th 2017 9:47 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12406602)
Or not. Much of the change is apparently due to the British government and its stamp tax, nothing to do with Brexit. Then rents have still risen faster than wages, and real wages have declined while inflation has risen and low to no growth is forecasted for 2018.


https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3...etting-cheaper


And in some parts of the country rents have risen sharply, such as Wales, Birmingham and The Midlands.

Then there's this.


"Britain is set to have the worst wage growth of any wealthy nation next year, ranking behind Italy, Greece and Hungary, according to analysis by the TUC.The UK is forecast to come bottom from 32 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development wealthy nations for wage performance in 2018, according to the study of OECD figures by the unions’ umbrella group.
British workers are expected to see their earnings decrease by 0.7% in 2018 when taking account of inflation, which has surged in the past year as a result of the pound’s weakness since the EU referendum, pushing up the cost of importing food and fuel."


https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-index-in-2018


Anecdote does not equal data you see.

FYI, a union's guess of the future is not data either. Most recent financial projections have not proved to be worth the paper they were (not) written on.

EMR Dec 29th 2017 9:52 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12406726)
FYI, a union's guess of the future is not data either. Most recent financial projections have not proved to be worth the paper they were (not) written on.

Really,
How much have wages risen vs brexit influenced inflation .
Not a financial projection, but a fact.

Cape Blue Dec 29th 2017 10:03 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12406728)
Really,
How much have wages risen vs brexit influenced inflation .
Not a financial projection, but a fact.

I was commenting upon the part of the post containing the union's projection of 2018 wage stagnation - it is a financial projection.

EMR Dec 29th 2017 10:14 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12406735)
I was commenting upon the part of the post containing the union's projection of 2018 wage stagnation - it is a financial projection.

It's not just one Unions projection .
Such as report on reuters 12th Dec.

la mancha Dec 29th 2017 10:49 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12406602)
Or not. Much of the change is apparently due to the British government and its stamp tax, nothing to do with Brexit. Then rents have still risen faster than wages, and real wages have declined while inflation has risen and low to no growth is forecasted for 2018.


https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3...etting-cheaper


And in some parts of the country rents have risen sharply, such as Wales, Birmingham and The Midlands.

Then there's this.


"Britain is set to have the worst wage growth of any wealthy nation next year, ranking behind Italy, Greece and Hungary, according to analysis by the TUC.The UK is forecast to come bottom from 32 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development wealthy nations for wage performance in 2018, according to the study of OECD figures by the unions’ umbrella group.
British workers are expected to see their earnings decrease by 0.7% in 2018 when taking account of inflation, which has surged in the past year as a result of the pound’s weakness since the EU referendum, pushing up the cost of importing food and fuel."


https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-index-in-2018


Anecdote does not equal data you see.

Let’s get this straight. I am telling you what I hear from people first hand and you are posting links to forecasts. Vice? Who the f*** are they? And a TUC analysis? Okay, have a nice day.

EMR Dec 29th 2017 10:53 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by la mancha (Post 12406748)
Let’s get this straight. I am telling you what I hear from people first hand and you are posting links to forecasts. Vice? Who the f*** are they? And a TUC analysis? Okay, have a nice day.

Happy New year to you and all in your La la land.
In the real world, house prices in Harrow have risen by over 25%.
Almost 6% in the last year. Land registry based on properties sold.

DaveLovesDee Dec 29th 2017 11:00 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 
long-term economic impact of EU membership and the alternatives

Has this changed at all?


This document assesses continued UK membership of the EU against the three existing alternative models:

membership of the European Economic Area (EEA), like Norway
a negotiated bilateral agreement, such as that between the EU and Switzerland, Turkey or Canada
World Trade Organisation (WTO) membership without any form of specific agreement with the EU, like Russia or Brazil
The Treasury’s analysis shows that the UK would be permanently poorer if it left the EU and adopted any of these models. Productivity and GDP per person would be lower in all these alternative scenarios, as the costs would substantially outweigh any potential benefit of leaving the EU. The analysis finds that the annual loss of GDP per household under the three alternatives after 15 years would be:

£2,600 in the case of EEA membership
£4,300 in the case of a negotiated bilateral agreement
£5,200 in the case of WTO membership
The negative impact on GDP would also result in substantially weaker tax receipts, significantly outweighing any potential gain from reduced financial contributions to the EU. After 15 years, even with savings from reduced contributions to the EU, receipts would be £20 billion a year lower in the central estimate of the EEA, £36 billion a year lower for the negotiated bilateral agreement and £45 billion a year lower for the WTO alternative.

Ozziechris Dec 29th 2017 11:00 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12406750)
Happy New year to you and all in your La la land.
In the real world, house prices in Harrow have risen by over 25%.

You don't consider it incredibly ironic that you are accusing others of living in La La land ?

EMR Dec 29th 2017 11:02 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Ozziechris (Post 12406752)
You don't consider it incredibly ironic that you are accusing others of living in La La land ?

You mean a world based on reality not a brexit driven fantasy.

Lion in Winter Dec 29th 2017 11:03 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Ozziechris (Post 12406752)
You don't consider it incredibly ironic that you are accusing others of living in La La land ?

You know what's ironic? You sending a distress signal with your avatar.

jimenato Dec 29th 2017 11:05 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12406755)
You know what's ironic? You sending a distress signal with your avatar.

Well spotted.

Lion in Winter Dec 29th 2017 11:12 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by jimenato (Post 12406756)
Well spotted.

If you're going to wrap yourself in the flag, putting it on right is a good first step.

Shard Dec 29th 2017 11:13 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12406755)
You know what's ironic? You sending a distress signal with your avatar.

I noted that too. Someone who calls themselves Ozzie and then uses the union jack as an avatar. :unsure:

Red Eric Dec 29th 2017 11:14 am

Re: Post EU Referendum
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12406761)
I noted that too. Someone who calls themselves Ozzie and then uses the union jack as an avatar. :unsure:

Maybe that's why he's got it upside down?


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